Exhuming McCarthy: Take Two

[FactsOfLife]

Not any particular lie, just a general statement... most republicans buy/live by the propaganda.

the one about liberals having some amount of measureable intelligence?

never believed that one for a second.

[Ov3rmind]

the one about liberals having some amount of measureable intelligence?

never believed that one for a second.

Do you think ANY administration (Liberal or Conservative) has ever been 100% truthful with the public?

[EsPo]

the one about liberals having some amount of measureable intelligence?

never believed that one for a second.

George W stuttered when he said measurable, so he just gave up on that one... I guess he had a few to many snowflakes back in the day. Way to elect a president who's been arrested 3 times, and bribed a C average through Yale.

Go build a telescope.

[Maksimus54]

You can't make the argument that only conservatives listen to lies, cause as overmind said, neither party is very truthful about their agenda's. Both parties have had large scandals. Both parties suck. I honestly don't like either part at all, I have political beliefs that usually fall on the conservative side, but the party system is screwed up. A lot of people don't realize that there are more than two parties, but washington just decided that if I register to vote as a republican, I cannot vote for a democrat. THat is bs, my vote is for whoever the hell i want to vote for. Both parties are pissing me off. Well back to the topic. I just hate it when people yell at you for having a different belief, and then they refuse to explain themselves. I want to see a non political classroom as well. Arguing with my teachers over politics gets annoying, and when we can only cover history from the liberal view, it really bugs me. This year when I took U.S. history the only thing we covered about WW2 was the Japanese internment camps. We didn't cover one other thing. When our classroom only covers one view point we miss out on the depth of America. If my class focused only on the war in europe it would have been just as bad. By the way, I have no ill will towards liberals, just so much as they can explain to me why they are right and not quote the damn news

[Kellen_p8nt]

I just want to point out,yet agian, that none NADA ZILCH ZIP of the claim made in this thread have been true. They are generalizations or agrevated claims made by people who cannot support the claim that in some way what the other person is ding is bad.

I say this because this post started all well and good, in fact it got better because of comments made by MAK and and comments refering to how McCarthy type tactics go both ways. ut the tread has gotten worse, Espo made a claim, didnt back it up well allbeit he attempted to. And then LOt made an idle taunt, I dont understand why everything has to turn out like this


so im going to say ti agian. PLEASE stop this nonsense. Were all human each and everyone of us we all have something in common. DOnt believe me? look at were we are we are on the automag forums if we dont share a love of the automag we share at least a love for paintball. So come on guys treat each other with a level of respect, everyone deserves it because there human and here in america they are intitled to their opinions.


sorry for ranting guys its just kinda upsetting to me to see things reach this point on here.

[FactsOfLife]

George W stuttered when he said measurable, so he just gave up on that one... I guess he had a few to many snowflakes back in the day. Way to elect a president who's been arrested 3 times, and bribed a C average through Yale.

Go build a telescope.

And you said you never posted in a political thread before.

And yes, I do build telescopes. What exactly is your point?

[FactsOfLife]

Do you think ANY administration (Liberal or Conservative) has ever been 100% truthful with the public?

Do I believe that one side or the other would be 100% truthful? Nope.

Do I believe one side has more of a propensity to do so? Yep.

[EsPo]

And you said you never posted in a political thread before.

And yes, I do build telescopes. What exactly is your point?

Where's the rebutle? I'd really like to know why he was elected.

My point was as follows: Go occupy yourself elsewhere if you're going to be so mean about it EVERY time somebody brings up a political issue. We ALL know you're a republican at this point, and it's not necesarry to stress how much you hate liberals anymore.

[1stdeadeye]

Where's the rebutle? I'd really like to know why he was elected.
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Uhm because he was the better candidate! Duh!

As for lies, where is your proof to back up your arrest and drug claims. You are spouting innuendo as fact. You have no proof so you are the one lieing.

Here is a fact or two for you. Our previous president perjured himself. He was forced to surrender his law license or be disbarred. He got a hummer in the oval office from an intern. And not even a pretty one.

Get facts until then you are the one spouting lies and innuendo not us!

Edit: BTW, nice sig. Kyoto was based on Junk science. China also refused to sign. Kyoto would have destroyed our economy without any benefit. Hey I got one for you why not bring up gun control. That hasn't been discredited enough!

[CaptaiN_JacK]

first of all, and this is NOT meant to be sarcastic or anything, i just want to know, why is the Kyoto agreement thing so bad? I haven't heard much about it more than it was about emissions or something, and I always want to hear both sides of the arguement.

And I might as well add that Gore got more votes than Bush, although I think our voting system is flawed, because not everybody goes to vote. In other words, if everybody that had decent opinions on the candidates voted, maybe Bush would have got more votes. Or maybe Nader would have. We'll never know.

Our previous president didn't actually lie to the court (in a way). He found a loophole through the prosecution (or whatever it's called). He said that he didn't know the meaning of sexual acts (or whatever they called it). I don't think that it was a big deal that he did that (to the court..lying). The guy wanted to keep his decency, and the Republicans just couldn't let that happen. If you had an affair (hypothetically, just think about it, even though it would never happen), would you want the ENTIRE WORLD to know about it? Did it do ANYTHING to hurt the US or the world????? His own personal to-do list isn't our business. Now Bush on the other hand presented forged documents to the UN (the liberian plutonium/or uranium documents). The fact that he let these "facts" be presented in a case to go to war, and this would have been a strong arguement for the war-effort, is tenfold worse than Clintons affair. The administration also presented satellite photos of WMD sites, and they were almost positive they were there. We went to war for WMDs, and when we couldn't find them we came up with several different reasons that we went to war.


And to answer Maksimus54's question as to why Liberals (or more accuratly my) views are correct, I'll try to sum it up, because I'm tired and want to go to bed.

The merriam-webster def. of liberalism is:

a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties.

That is pretty much how I think. It's all about being good to other people, not being selfish and greedy. Why do you think most teachers are liberal? They are all about giving back to the community.It's about saving the environment, keeping it healthy for future generations. It's about helping with world peace so that the world will be a safe place to live in. It's not about personal agendas, although many democrats have thrown a cold sholder at this. If the world were filled with tree-hugging hippies, it would probably be a better place than it is now. But that will never ever happen, and it shall remain a pipe dream; my idea of a perfect world that will never be, and maybe that's why I am so bitter towards greedy CEOs and logging, because it's ruining the perfect world that I will never see.

[FactsOfLife]

Where's the rebutle? I'd really like to know why he was elected.

My point was as follows: Go occupy yourself elsewhere if you're going to be so mean about it EVERY time somebody brings up a political issue. We ALL know you're a republican at this point, and it's not necesarry to stress how much you hate liberals anymore.

Get stuffed kid. Seriously. I'll comment where and how I like, and I am certainly not going to be told off by some kid whose primary concern in life is zit cream.

[Kellen_p8nt]

yay i get to post agian. Ahh the beloved dirty dirty issue of who won the popular vote in the last presidential election. From everything ive seen and heard well ...we will never know th truth, the recounts were stopped by the courts. Yea thats something else people get pissy about, someone brings up last years election and everyone moans and groans and "shut up hes our president" is something i commonly get. But oh well i can kinda understand the immense disgust with any discussion on the past election florida in paticular leaves a sour taste in everyones mouth.

My problem with this is now is some of the beligerent behaviour we are seeing.

I mean come on LOt the zit comment was completly unnessecary(sp?). Acting in such a manner only promotes the most disgusting thing about american politics to dat, name calling. I dont think anyone can doubt that this goes on. All im asking is everyone calm down work together and find solutions. NO one seems willing and also, though not surprisingly i guess, no one (outside of 1de in a jesting manner(i think)) has posted on anythign ive said on any of the current political topics on this board.


Espo. While everything you said about bush, to the best of my knowledge, is true, its rather pointless. Your making an attack of character, cmooooon be a better man. If you have an opinion do not stoop to the level of beligerance and attacks of character, you only make yourself look worse. And the question is a rather hard to answer. Why was he chosen? Well the best way to get an answer tot his is to ask people why they voted for Bush rather than Gore, Nader, etc. etc. Now if you want the question to be rhetorical, as i imagine you do, cite what things Bush has done wrong and then look at those who voted for him nd ask the question, and even thats a bitbeligerent.

I think we can all agree people get beligerent/angry/namecalling as a defensive measure. When someone is not in control of an arguemet the resort to attacks of this nature. Things like this are also used when someone is presented with a question the answer to which might debunk their arguement. In this sittuation they may now the answer would debunk them or they may not know the answer, and not knowing, if you do not accept the fact that you do not know, can be a firghtfull thing. I believe the final reason attacks of this nature are used is out of hate/anger. People hate a certain group of people and use generalizations to attack them.



well now i know tat since i presented something I atleast see as logical, and in a manner that refutes allot of the behaviour on this thread, im going to be on the recieving end of some beligerance.

oh and one last thing. 1DE, he was not chosen because he was the better candidate. It doesn't matter wheter or not someone is the better candidate if they when the popular election.


if i feel up to it ill post ore later


NIghto everyone

[Ov3rmind]

Do I believe that one side or the other would be 100% truthful? Nope.

Do I believe one side has more of a propensity to do so? Yep.

Do you really know which side that is? Nope.

[1stdeadeye]

first of all, and this is NOT meant to be sarcastic or anything, i just want to know, why is the Kyoto agreement thing so bad? I haven't heard much about it more than it was about emissions or something, and I always want to hear both sides of the arguement.

Kyoto was crap because the science behind it was crap. Scientists around the world are still aruing whether or not it is real. Kyoto would have forced the US to make draconian cuts in our economy to comply. This would have put hundreds of thousands out of work all in the name of green psychobabble! Also a lot of fast developing countries did not sign it such as CHina and India. They will spew far more pollution then we down the road!

And I might as well add that Gore got more votes than Bush, although I think our voting system is flawed, because not everybody goes to vote. In other words, if everybody that had decent opinions on the candidates voted, maybe Bush would have got more votes. Or maybe Nader would have. We'll never know.

No our voting system was designed to protect against what happened in 2002. If you want blatent fraud, look to South Dakota where Senator Johnson was reelected by less then 300 votes. Yet over a 1000 dead people voted for him. At least with Bush a mistake was claimed, not outright fraud, but because Johnson had a D after his name and the votes in question were from Indian tribes, those that called for investigations were labeled racist.

Our previous president didn't actually lie to the court (in a way). He found a loophole through the prosecution (or whatever it's called). He said that he didn't know the meaning of sexual acts (or whatever they called it). I don't think that it was a big deal that he did that (to the court..lying). The guy wanted to keep his decency, and the Republicans just couldn't let that happen. If you had an affair (hypothetically, just think about it, even though it would never happen), would you want the ENTIRE WORLD to know about it? Did it do ANYTHING to hurt the US or the world????? His own personal to-do list isn't our business. Now Bush on the other hand presented forged documents to the UN (the liberian plutonium/or uranium documents). The fact that he let these "facts" be presented in a case to go to war, and this would have been a strong arguement for the war-effort, is tenfold worse than Clintons affair. The administration also presented satellite photos of WMD sites, and they were almost positive they were there. We went to war for WMDs, and when we couldn't find them we came up with several different reasons that we went to war.

First Clinton did perjur himself. I don't like CLinton one Iota, but I will give the man his due. He is one of the best politicians I have ever seen. He is extremely intelligent. He lied to the court then to America. As for the affair, I am disappointed. Look at Monica! The most powerful man in the world should be able to do a whole lot better then that!!!

WoMD have been found. We have found a few chemical weapons shells with VX in them. The weapons are there, we just need to dig more of them up.

[Lohman446]

George W stuttered when he said measurable, so he just gave up on that one... I guess he had a few to many snowflakes back in the day. Way to elect a president who's been arrested 3 times, and bribed a C average through Yale.

Go build a telescope.

So, wheres the lie in that, wheres the propaganda? Still waiting...