No Al Qaeda Cooperation with Iraq

[Chojin Man]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/16/911.commission/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The panel investigating the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks found that there was "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States," according to a staff report issued on Wednesday.

[Jack_Dubious]

Bah!! Impossible!! Cheney says there are definate ties to AlQaeda, and hes never wrong.

Well at least we found those WMDs!





JDub

[aaron_mag]

We didn't need them to give an official report to know that!!!

This thread is going to have a very short lifespan. We know the routine. One side will say, "Finally you guys can see that you were mislead" (the sane side to my eyes).

The other side will say, "First of all you can't trust CNN. Second of all the 9/11 commission is just a democrat ploy to undermine our fearless leader and put a democrat in the White House. You can't trust anything it says...."



Arguing it is really pointless. The old saying is the first casaulty in war is truth applies...

And for this election (not to mention the war in Iraq) it really is war to both sides. People on both sides of this issue feel really passionately about it. And I suppose we should...

[Head knight of Ni]

CNN is the devil FOX News is the only PATRIOTIC news source.

However the Oil did have connections to al qaeda so it was attacked.

[cphilip]

Did you people read the whole thing? Or am I the only one? "they found no evidence" is the key phrase...

However they also reported:

The report says Osama bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to (Saddam) Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.

"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda."

A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994.

Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.

Sounds like this pannel found plenty of attempts at colaboration and efforts to WANT to collaborate...but "found no evidence to substantiate" anything ever came to fruition at least tied to 911 attack (the narrow focus of thier inquiry). Thats what it says anyway... At leasts this commission did not find any direct link to 911 planning. So...

[cphilip]

We didn't need them to give an official report to know that!!!

The other side will say, "First of all you can't trust CNN. Second of all the 9/11 commission is just a democrat ploy to undermine our fearless leader and put a democrat in the White House. You can't trust anything it says...."


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You weren't misslead. You missread. It clearly DOES establish meetings and attempts to collaborate. But can't substantiate it ever happened. And all along you said there were NO TIES! This just lends credence to that fact that there might have been and indeed there was an attempt and reason to do so.... Game, Set but still no match...

[Chojin Man]

the bush administration stands by the link between al queda and saddam

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/15/bush.alqaeda/index.html

[cphilip]

And this commission just proved some of it is true. Not nesscariy linking it to specific 911 but linking them to Sudan and a reasonable effort to cooperate was afoot. If not carried out to some extent. That remains murky what and if they ever did end up succeeding on cooperating on anything. But they did meet and attempt to do so.

[taylor492]

I read the whole article(what else am i supposed to do at work?)

im just really tired of this subject

[cphilip]

Good but then why are you posting on it?

[taylor492]

same reason you are

[cphilip]

hehehe... well I never said I was tired of it.

Ok now that Sudan has been brought into the picture....

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0614/p06s01-woaf.html

Seems the Arab leaders there are enbarked on a Genocide. Where is the UN in a resolution. Someone want to protest putting Sudan a notch or two up now on the "hit list"?

[aaron_mag]

And this commission just proved some of it is true. Not nesscariy linking it to specific 911 but linking them to Sudan and a reasonable effort to cooperate was afoot. If not carried out to some extent. That remains murky what and if they ever did end up succeeding on cooperating on anything. But they did meet and attempt to do so.

With all due respect Phil...look at what you just typed? You are saying 'well this is murky...but they did attempt to meet...etc."

Are we going to commit troops and resources on murky evidence? Are we going to start dropping bombs and 'well it might be true...might not...but oh welll....you can't really be sure on such things...."

I still believe that if we had focused on Afghanistan (had the number of troops in Afghanistan that we have in Iraq) it would have been BRILLIANT!!! Everything was clear cut. Osama had screwed with us. We said, "Give him up...or else." They said, "Well let us think about it." And we said, "Too late!"

But we're not going to convince each other. And there are arguments on both sides (I really believe the Iraqi people are going to be better off in the long run). If Iraq was totally clear cut you wouldn't have such divisive debates on it.

-Later

[-Carnifex-]

Did you people read the whole thing? Or am I the only one? "they found no evidence" is the key phrase...

However they also reported:

The report says Osama bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to (Saddam) Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.

"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda."

A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994.

Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.

Sounds like this pannel found plenty of attempts at colaboration and efforts to WANT to collaborate...but "found no evidence to substantiate" anything ever came to fruition at least tied to 911 attack (the narrow focus of thier inquiry). Thats what it says anyway... At leasts this commission did not find any direct link to 911 planning. So...

Then Saddam didn't collaberate, though he was given an offer?

[cphilip]

Then Saddam didn't collaberate, though he was given an offer?

this commission cannot confirm does not mean didn't... and they are talking about 911 planning mostly. Not nessicarily any link specific to that. Thats thier mission is 911 only. Which is what the current administration is claiming is that there is a link between Al Quieda and Iraq...but not specificaly 911 itself.

and he sent his lacky to meet so he was indeed exploring it....