No Al Qaeda Cooperation with Iraq

[-Carnifex-]

So, we went to war on the premise of: There's no evidence for or against, so let's get 'em?

[cphilip]

Uh they just confirmed a link. And where do you suppose they got the evidence to conclude that?

How extensive they did not confirm... But in the past everyone has denied there was a link between Saddam and Al Quieda (and support for Muslim extreemists) and the reasoning was they hated each other so they just could not have... but this commission found a valid and supportable reason why they would (Sudan) and might have cooperated on something. At least meet to do so. We have always known Saddam paid Palestinian suicide bombers families. Thats still a fact as well. He openly bragged about it and filmed himself awarding them the money.

[-Carnifex-]

I see it as we know they met, that means nothing. I've never seen evidence that he was aiding terrorism (can you give me a link about him paying the suicide bombers?). I'm only bringing all of this up because I'm having issues giving arguments in support of the war.

[cphilip]

It means more than we were allowed to see before. Before people said they would NEVER cooperate. It appears they attempted to at least.

Links? Sure

There are tons of them by the way. And he liked to film the ceremonies too

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/25/1017004766310.html?oneclick=true

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58871,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm

Just a few varied scources.... many more of them out there and all about the same.

Added on edit: Note I did not just give you a hawkish link or a liberal link. I gave you some of both.

[-Carnifex-]

Thanks Phil.

[cphilip]

No problem Carni

You want more then just google with "Saddam Palestinian" or something along that lines.

[Konigballer]

man, why cant the whole middle east just dissapear and be replaced by another Canada. Well, heres to wishfull thinking


I hope, berfore we tackle any other middle eastern "terrorist state", we take down our lying Saudi
"friends" quick. Everytime I see those rich Sauidi's talking pure crap on TV I wanna' drop our guys on top of them, guns a blazin', and set up a giant Exon.

[Jack_Dubious]

I hope, berfore we tackle any other middle eastern "terrorist state", we take down our lying Saudi "friends" quick. Everytime I see those rich Sauidi's talking pure crap on TV I wanna' drop our guys on top of them, guns a blazin', and set up a giant Exon.

Amen to that!

JDub

[cphilip]

Amen to that!

JDub

they on my list too....

[FactsOfLife]

man, why cant the whole middle east just dissapear and be replaced by another Canada. Well, heres to wishfull thinking


I hope, berfore we tackle any other middle eastern "terrorist state", we take down our lying Saudi
"friends" quick. Everytime I see those rich Sauidi's talking pure crap on TV I wanna' drop our guys on top of them, guns a blazin', and set up a giant Exon.

Most intelligent thing said in this thread yet.

[1stdeadeye]

I would not have a problem with turning the entire Middle East into the world's largest filling station!

[1stdeadeye]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ion/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The panel investigating the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks found that there was "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States," according to a staff report issued on Wednesday.

Nice job reading the WHOLE article!

[-Carnifex-]

Nice job reading the WHOLE article!

All it really says is that they met. In my eyes that's not enough to say there's a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam.

[Hasty8]

With all due respect Phil...look at what you just typed? You are saying 'well this is murky...but they did attempt to meet...etc."

Are we going to commit troops and resources on murky evidence? Are we going to start dropping bombs and 'well it might be true...might not...but oh welll....you can't really be sure on such things...."

I still believe that if we had focused on Afghanistan (had the number of troops in Afghanistan that we have in Iraq) it would have been BRILLIANT!!! Everything was clear cut. Osama had screwed with us. We said, "Give him up...or else." They said, "Well let us think about it." And we said, "Too late!"

But we're not going to convince each other. And there are arguments on both sides (I really believe the Iraqi people are going to be better off in the long run). If Iraq was totally clear cut you wouldn't have such divisive debates on it.

-Later

Aaron, whether or not Saddam was tied with AQ is incidental as Saddam was tied with numerous other terrorism around the world. AQ does not have the market cornered on terrorism.

[cphilip]

Well aron, stay with me here for a minute...

what I am trying to point out is its murky exactly and specificaly what particular terrorist act they were trying to collaborate on... or wether it was just general support they were trying to agree on. Its murky to me... and to this commission. It may not be as murky to intelligence but I have no idea.

But meeting and attempting to collaborate is aiding each other and is evidence they found a common ground. Which to this point many have tried to say could not and would not. Now if there is some specific plot out there still waiting to happen then I doubt we would be told it at this time. Or if there is specific evidence of support in camps we already have found some of that. And perhaps there is more to be found financialy. But they were attempting to get together on one thing. Killing Americans. All of them for their various reasons were attempting to strengthen their postion in doing that through cooperation. And so it is best to make sure that collaboration never occurs.