No Al Qaeda Cooperation with Iraq

[aaron_mag]

Well for those of you who would like to turn the middle east into a big filling station....

A family friend is in the oil refinery business. And he claims that the oil reserves in the middle east will only last another 60 or so years. There is another oil reserve that they think is even bigger than the one in the middle east. That one is off the northeast coast of the U.S.

So oil power will shift away from the middle east...some of us won't be around to witness it...but we should see the start of it!

[Rooster]

The middle-east is only useful becuase its cheap oil. At any rate, every media outlet in the country is of course trying to sensationalize this story. The fact is that there are Iraq-Al Quida ties, regardless of whether or not the helped with 9-11. At the very least they provided moral support and a refuge for former Al Quida members. Coupled with Sadam and his blatant refusal to adhear to UN resolutions and the terms of his own surrender, we had all the reason we ever needed to remove the threat.

[-Carnifex-]

What would these ties be Rooster, along with the proof of said ties?

Also, proof that he was harboring members / former members of Al Qaida?

[Hasty8]

What would these ties be Rooster, along with the proof of said ties?

Also, proof that he was harboring members / former members of Al Qaida?

Carnifex -
1 - Saddam openly supprted Palestine terrorists. Saddam Hussein's Iraq provided material assistance to Palestinian terrorist groups, including the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, HAMAS, and the Palestine Islamic Jihad, according to a State Department report. This included paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, according to testimonials from Palestinians and cancelled checks. Also, according to State Department reports, terrorist groups the Iranian Mujahedin-e-Khalq and the Abu Nidal organization were protected by the Iraqi regime protected by the Iraqi regime.

2. A senior al Qaida terrorist, now detained, who had been responsible for al Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, reports that al Qaida was intent on obtaining WMD assistance from Iraq. According to a credible, high-level al Qaida source, Usama Bin Laden and deceased al Qaida leader Muhammad Atif did not believe that al Qaida labs in Afghanistan were capable of manufacturing chemical and biological weapons, so they turned to Iraq for assistance. Iraq agreed to provide chemical and biological weapons training for two al Qaida associates starting in December 2000.

3. Saddam Hussein would not uphold his international commitments, and now that he is no longer in power, the world is safe from this tyrant. The old Iraqi regime defied the international community and seventeen UN resolutions for twelve years and gave every indication that it would never disarm and never comply with the just demands of the world.

Strike 1, 2, 3...yer out!

[-Carnifex-]

1.) First, I didn't ask about Terrorists in general. Learn to read.

2.) Article / Documents, arguing with heresay doesn't do me any good.

[aaron_mag]

1.) First, I didn't ask about Terrorists in general. Learn to read.

2.) Article / Documents, arguing with heresay doesn't do me any good.

All you'll get is hearsay...since if there was any truth to these things it would be all over the news. As Rooster pointed out, the media loves nothing better than something to sensationalize. They make lots of money that way.

But since they don't have any WMD to sensationalize, or Al Queda ties to sensationalize, they are going to sensationalize this...

Rooster loves to cry 'sensationalizing media' but he doesn't like to carry the logic all the way through. That they would sensationalize any credible link between Al Queda and Saddam...but it ain't there....

[1stdeadeye]

Well for those of you who would like to turn the middle east into a big filling station....

A family friend is in the oil refinery business. And he claims that the oil reserves in the middle east will only last another 60 or so years. There is another oil reserve that they think is even bigger than the one in the middle east. That one is off the northeast coast of the U.S.

So oil power will shift away from the middle east...some of us won't be around to witness it...but we should see the start of it!

The oil power will shift, but they still have the fortunes reaped from it.

[Hasty8]

Doubtful.

Oil power will be going the way of the dodo soon.

Seattle is taking delivery of almost 235 hybrid-fuel buses this year. I can't remember the actual number of estimated gallons of fuel saved but it's big. I have the article back home and will post later if I remember.

San Fran is taking delivery of the new Honda FCX this year as well. This puppy runs on hydrogen and uses zero "fossil fuels".

Australia is looking into using large scale glass covered farms to battle a few differnt problem areas. The farms are all located under a single glass "dome". The "dome" is rather flat until it arcs suddenly upward in the center. In this column are fans connected to generators. The fans are moved by the warm air and generate electricity.

solar power panels are getting better and better. Smaller panels are producing more energy than their larger counterparts from just a few years ago. My house in Montana is solely off the grid and derives over 83% of it's power from solar panels.

Technology is getting better and soon we'll be finally weaned from oil.

[Chojin Man]

thats a start hasty8, but we still have a long long time before we stop using using petrol products all together

[Ronin Baller]

As long as my car produces gut wrenching, tire smoking, 10 second quarter mile torque I'll feed it whatever ya want.

[Rooster]

Al-Zawakiri is a known Al-Quida member that has been operating in Iraq since almost imediately after 9-11. Senior Iraqi officials were meeting with Al-Quida in Germany. Not to mention the Sadam offered to pay the families of the hijackers and anyone else who would make such an attack.

[Southpaw]

Seattle is taking delivery of almost 235 hybrid-fuel buses this year. I can't remember the actual number of estimated gallons of fuel saved but it's big. I have the article back home and will post later if I remember.

San Fran is taking delivery of the new Honda FCX this year as well. This puppy runs on hydrogen and uses zero "fossil fuels".

This is incorrect while the Honda FCX may not use fossil fuel. The productoin of hydrogen DOES!! Hydrogen cars will just shift who uses the fossil fuel to the power plant operators! I get so mad when they take a car and say "look you can drink what comes out of the tailpipe" and in dont show the HUGE coal burning power plant belching out smoke needed to make the electricity to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen in water then the power to compress it ect. My next pet peeve is Bio Diesel and Ethnol!!!

[Bluestrike_2]

True.

Yet, we will be able to use geothermal energy, solar, and nuclear to take care of the hydrogen. That, coupled with the cars, will effectively eliminate our need for fossil fuels, just not over night. It will take some time....

[taylor492]

1.) First, I didn't ask about Terrorists in general. Learn to read.

2.) Article / Documents, arguing with heresay doesn't do me any good.

Whaddya want? A copy of the check from the local bank?!

If you want articles and documents try www.google.com

[-Carnifex-]

Al-Zawakiri is a known Al-Quida member that has been operating in Iraq since almost imediately after 9-11. Senior Iraqi officials were meeting with Al-Quida in Germany. Not to mention the Sadam offered to pay the families of the hijackers and anyone else who would make such an attack.

Once again, where's the proof?

The man may be operating in Iraq, that doesn't mean he's supported by Saddam.

I'm not seeing where it said they met in that article. Is it possible you can show me where you saw this?

Also, where's the proof for this? I know he supports Palestinians, but I haven't heard that he vowed to support an attack on America. Can you point me to an article?