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  • TheDuelist
    Office use only.
    • Oct 2002
    • 671

    #16
    Historically its the American way. After World War II we helped rebuild Europe. After a major disaster in a foregin country we're almost always the first one to respond with some sort of help. Whats wrong with that? It defines us as a society. It has nothing to do with how much someone else has given. There are several countries who have donated more money but can't deliver the support. We are providing troops, helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, etc. Does it really matter anyway? After being lucky enough to survive four hurricanes and seeing peoples lives completely destroyed in our own country maybe I have a different perspective on the situation. I say if we can do it then we should especially with something this big.

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    • HoppysMag
      Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
      • Oct 2001
      • 3494

      #17
      Originally posted by TheDuelist
      Historically its the American way. After World War II we helped rebuild Europe. After a major disaster in a foregin country we're almost always the first one to respond with some sort of help. Whats wrong with that? It defines us as a society. It has nothing to do with how much someone else has given. There are several countries who have donated more money but can't deliver the support. We are providing troops, helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, etc. Does it really matter anyway? After being lucky enough to survive four hurricanes and seeing peoples lives completely destroyed in our own country maybe I have a different perspective on the situation. I say if we can do it then we should especially with something this big.
      we rebuilt europ so they wouldnt resort to comunism or be taken by the communist... self serving. good none the less, but still self serving

      in reality, no it doesnt matter, as long as it helps some one. but eh im ranting
      "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -John Morley

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      • SpecialBlend2786
        Registered User
        • Jun 2003
        • 4023

        #18
        Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
        I honestly don't care what people's motivations are for donating.

        As long as they are donating, and people are being helped.

        Honestly if the only reason somebody donates is to make themselves look better, or to feel better than fine.
        agreed. i could care less as long as aid is getting to the people that need it.

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        • quik
          I eat your unhappiness
          • Jul 2003
          • 1732

          #19
          Originally posted by Thordic
          I got yelled at for saying I personally wouldn't make any effort to raise a dime or send any money over there. I don't care.

          Until we get some respect from the rest of the world (which I don't see happening) I don't see why should try to help them.
          I'm sure if you were over there on vacation during this endevor, and saw someone(see: american) say that on television, you would still agree. Just because you dont get respect doesnt mean a damn thing. We need to come together as a people to do the right thing, even if we dont get a lot of 'respect' in the process.

          Good lord no wonder everyone hates americans, if it doesnt help them, then they want no part in it.

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          • SpecialBlend2786
            Registered User
            • Jun 2003
            • 4023

            #20
            Originally posted by quik
            I'm sure if you were over there on vacation during this endevor, and saw someone(see: american) say that on television, you would still agree. Just because you dont get respect doesnt mean a damn thing. We need to come together as a people to do the right thing, even if we dont get a lot of 'respect' in the process.

            Good lord no wonder everyone hates americans, if it doesnt help them, then they want no part in it.
            amen.

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            • maglover728
              Boomer!
              • Apr 2004
              • 1093

              #21
              We need to take care of the home front first!
              stay proud, Stay mechanical!

              And my feed back is at: http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1771790#post1771790

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              • Thordic
                AFTICA
                • May 2001
                • 5986

                #22
                Originally posted by quik
                We need to come together as a people to do the right thing, even if we dont get a lot of 'respect' in the process.
                The right thing by who?

                I have a hierarchy of caring. It starts at me, and my family. Then my friends and neighbors, etc, extended outward.

                You know where 150,000 people in Asia are on this scale?

                Pretty damn low. Do you think 150,000 people dying over there is going to effect my life one bit? Not bloody likely. Im sorry if honesty shocks you, but its true. You can call me callous and selfish, but looking out for yourself and your own is the original way. Do you read the obituaries and care? Do you send flowers and cards to everyone who dies family? I don't. I didn't know them in life, so why should I care when they are dead?

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                • Bolter
                  Hardcore casual
                  • May 2003
                  • 1223

                  #23
                  Originally posted by quik
                  I'm sure if you were over there on vacation during this endevor, and saw someone(see: american) say that on television, you would still agree. Just because you dont get respect doesnt mean a damn thing. We need to come together as a people to do the right thing, even if we dont get a lot of 'respect' in the process.

                  Good lord no wonder everyone hates americans, if it doesnt help them, then they want no part in it.
                  good point.


                  we rebuilt europ so they wouldnt resort to comunism or be taken by the communist... self serving. good none the less, but still self serving
                  is that what they teach you? Oh boy
                  Bolter
                  Storm Uk

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                  • MindJob

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Thordic
                    I got yelled at for saying I personally wouldn't make any effort to raise a dime or send any money over there. I don't care.

                    Until we get some respect from the rest of the world (which I don't see happening) I don't see why should try to help them.
                    I feel sorry for everyone affected by this tragic act of nature, and of course, the right thing to do is to offer our assistance.

                    I have no problem with that.

                    BUT

                    Where were all of these people when WE asked for their help?

                    As far as respect goes, countries only seem to earn respect at the end of a sword. It has always been that way.

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                    • PissedGodzilla
                      Killswitch Engaged....
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 618

                      #25
                      The mojority of the peoples that died lived in wooden shacks. Some survivors shot arrows at rescue helicopters because they have never seen one before!!!
                      That point I am trying to make here is how can they have helped us in the past if they continue to this day to live is squalor and poverty... They have nothing to help us with!!!

                      Those of you who won't give a dime or help anyone else, well, Karma is a

                      To not help others in their time of need when you are able to is pathetic, disgusting and a disgrace to you and your family. Do what you can for others, it will be returned to you in your time of need.

                      cheap, uncaring people


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                      • Thordic
                        AFTICA
                        • May 2001
                        • 5986

                        #26
                        The people themselves may have lived in shacks and whatnot, but they DO have governments.

                        You're right, Im cheap, and I don't care about dead people I don't know. Too bad.

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                        • PissedGodzilla
                          Killswitch Engaged....
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 618

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Thordic
                          You're right, Im cheap, and I don't care about dead people I don't know. Too bad.

                          Views like this are what is wrong in the world. It's sad... It's not about the dead people, it's about all of the people who will die if they don't get help now to combat the starvation and disease.


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                          • Thordic
                            AFTICA
                            • May 2001
                            • 5986

                            #28
                            Natural disasters are part of the world. If you die, then you die.

                            I think human interference in prolonging and saving lives will ultimately cause more problems than it solves. Nature preserves an equilebrium for a reason.

                            People weren't meant to live to 80, 90+ years old. Yet they consistantly do. Natural disasters have killed people since the beginning of the human era. Yet we try to save everyone.

                            You think my view is whats wrong with the world today? I see it as the opposite.

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                            • gibby
                              Kahuna Studios
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 2507

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Thordic
                              Natural disasters are part of the world. If you die, then you die.

                              I think human interference in prolonging and saving lives will ultimately cause more problems than it solves. Nature preserves an equilebrium for a reason.

                              People weren't meant to live to 80, 90+ years old. Yet they consistantly do. Natural disasters have killed people since the beginning of the human era. Yet we try to save everyone.

                              You think my view is whats wrong with the world today? I see it as the opposite.
                              Hrm...let's turn this way of thinking around. Sure, you sound like you're very opinionated seeing how you live in the comfort of America...and it's easy to feel this way because poverty, hunger and disease isn't part of your "every day, normal life."

                              But let's say you didn't live in America and lived in Asia where the disaster happened. Wouldn't you be thankful for the contributions that others who don't know you have given you? Or would you turn away and be too proud because you didn't earn it and you have no right taking what's being given to you?

                              Granted, your answer would probably be..."Well, I don't live in Asia and I do live in America so why bother?" Sadly, if that is your first thought, it just goes to show how closed minded you really are.
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                              • Thordic
                                AFTICA
                                • May 2001
                                • 5986

                                #30
                                I live in a prosperous nation, hence I reap the benefits. This isn't anything new. In ancient times the more powerful tribes had better living conditions than poorer tribes. Thats how it works.

                                You can hurl your "closed-minded" comments at me all you want, but I really don't care. If the disaster had struck the east coast of the US and affected me personally, would I expect any aid from other countries? Would I feel that I am entitled to their aid? No.

                                And in all honesty, we probably wouldn't get much help. The US would be stuck to take care of its own. We'd get a few token donations that were just for show.

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