the American view of world history vs everyone else's

[Mango]

[MarkM]

We all know why America entered the war.


Morale of foreign women. Wherever our troops go they are rockstars to women who need that powerful American lovin. While the limey's were off fighting and getting buzz bombed the poor women of England needed something new, then came fresh faced Americans with their "mastadonic " "equipment" (Emperor Hiriohito, Ep310 south Park). The British women called their girlfriends in France who started the French Resitance (manly giving STD's to German troops) so they could get a piece of the action, bla blah blah war ended and all the womens of europe were enjoying that new world flavor.

Plus if you really think about it, the US had thousands upon thousands of troops in Europe and More in the Pacific fighting at the same time. The Brits had to do alot of work as we were stretching ourselves pretty thin. As far as daylight bombing was concerned It had to be done, we were more accurate during the day and the brits called dibs on nighttime. Now Germany had no rest, day and night destruction and fighting off attacks all day long.....then the P51 came along and US day time raids became more and more effective as the Mustang was escorting and serving up the Luftwaffe . Which wouldnt have been a huge factor had we had continental bases but france had to surrender in like 45 minutes and then COLLABORATE but hey you work with what you got.

Ignoring the 1st paragraph as it obviously in fun

The spreading of troops thin was a simple case of who was closer to which war theatre so of course the Pacific was American troops.

Night raids...it wasn't a case of first dibs...we had tried both and found that night was better...the American airman had only trained in daylight and had a superior bomb aiming site but only better in daylight so it was a no brainer as to who was going to fly the daylight raids...the higher flying ceiling plus the guns they had on the planes was pretty damned good...bomb load was pretty decent as well...just came unstuck as the planes were so big.

The P51 was a later addition to the fighting in Europe and was successful but then when you consider that the allies were in Europe the Nazi air bases were overrun and the remaining air cover was asigned to defend Berlin...it was never going to anything but a successful machine.

The english Spitfire was credited with winning the Battle of Britain....but in reality they were very few and far between the majority of the fighter wind was in fact Hurricanes.

One thing though, had America not been there, their would have been no D-day. If their was it would have been smaller and probably deleayed by months or years. This would give the Germans more time to bomb and develop their rail gun.

D-Day was asked to be launched by the Russians to take away pressure fron the Nazi's eastern front....admittedly it needed to be done but then to fight on two fronts is always harder so it makes for sound war strategy...and for all of the American help in D-Day...who got to Berlin first...not the Americans not the French not the British or other western country allies....the Russians!


Something else that isn't from either quote above....the German Vengence weapon projects...major scientists all spirited back to the US to form NASA.... Stealth bomber flying wing lifted from a Luftwaffe project of the same design constructed mainly from wood so difficult to see via fledging RADAR...all plans and the plane itself now resident in the US.

Nuclear research results have been mentioned with regard the Japanese bombings...Nazi heavy water installations (and transportation of heavy water by a cargo ship) destroyed by british and local resistance fighters. Allowing the Manhatten project to reach the goal first.

[MarkM]

Scary thing is that you will probably find that a lot of people actually would say that if you gave them a map with no countrys listed

[Eagle]

Stealth bomber flying wing lifted from a Luftwaffe project of the same design constructed mainly from wood so difficult to see via fledging RADAR...all plans and the plane itself now resident in the US.

Actually, stealth came about through research done by Jack Northrop and his company with flying wings during WW2. While the Nazi's had flying wings too, it was with ours we discovered the idea of a smaller radar cross section.

[Head knight of Ni]

Actually, stealth came about through research done by Jack Northrop and his company with flying wings during WW2. While the Nazi's had flying wings too, it was with ours we discovered the idea of a smaller radar cross section.

Too bad it was uncontrollable. Funny thing is that plane and the B2 have the same wingspan.

[MarkM]

Too bad it was uncontrollable. Funny thing is that plane and the B2 have the same wingspan.

What an amazing coincidence, total secrecy and a war going on and it turns up the same

Of course you can extend this to delta wing technology...oh wait the US didn't design that so then decided to ban the effective use of it.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

France did put up a good resistance effort. The only reason they were defeated so quickly was due to the fact they relied upon the maginot line(a formidible fortification on the shared border with Germany). Unfortunately the line didn't stretch along belgiums border. The Germans rolled through belgium then around the maginot line into interum france. The first people we fought in North Africa were infact french nazi's.

And I believe poland made a machine that could decipher codes gave the codes to the british, By this time they knew they were to be invaded, then moved units into the mountains and fought hard.

IMO the worst part of current teachings in america is the downplay of Canada's role in WWII.

French dependance on the Maginot line was probably the main rason for their defeat, but it was slightly more complex. Their outdated strategic thinking which produced the line also prevented them from making better use of their superiority in numbers of tanks and troops. They simply were not well-organized enough to counter the German's rapid advances.

The first people US troops fought in North Africa were french, but they were not Nazis. Vichy France was a collaborationist regime, but not a Nazi one (to the best of my knowledge).

The Poles did not make a machine to break German codes, they captured one. ...Which they swiftly got out of the country and shared with the British. They fought bravely against the Germans, but not only in the mountains, of which Poland has very few. Polands generally flat terrain was one of the reasons the German blitzkreig moved through it so easily in 1939.

It is kind of you to say that about Canada in WW2. Not even many of our own people know the true extent of our contribution (8% of the population in uniform, the world's fourth largest navy built from scratch, etc.).

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Unless someone accually surrenders, how do you say who won? In Vietnam, we won more battles, and took fewer casualties, but we went about it in the wrong fashion, fell back to often without a fight 'for political reasons'. It was fought by the politicians in Washington instead of in the jungle.

As for frog, er, I mean French participation in our Revolution, it took a while for the military help to arrive, but the financial help was there much earlier.

I'm going by the simple rule of thumb that if you fight a war and get what you want, you win. The North Vietnamese communists wanted foreigners out, and all of Vietnam under Hanoi's rule. They got that three years after the US pulled out its troops. In 1814, the USA got most of what it wanted - withdrawal of British garrisons from the Northwest (Michigan, etc), and freedom from Royal Navy interference with US shipping.

[PyRo]

France did put up a good resistance effort. The only reason they were defeated so quickly was due to the fact they relied upon the maginot line(a formidible fortification on the shared border with Germany). Unfortunately the line didn't stretch along belgiums border. The Germans rolled through belgium then around the maginot line into interum france.

The French will never live that one down. They build a wall so the Germans walked around it...

[PyRo]

the world's fourth largest navy built from scratch, etc.).

[Boski51]

Scary thing is that you will probably find that a lot of people actually would say that if you gave them a map with no countrys listed

Do you really think Americans are really that stupid? I find this entire thread depressing as hell. The world has really gone anti-american and even some Americans are jumping on the band wagon....That's sad.

I don't think that any of the allied soldiers or Marines that paid the ultimate price on the killing grounds of Europe, The Pacific Islands or anywhere else would agree with you all that any one nation won WW2. The Brits didn't and nor did the Yanks.

Geo politics is much like paintball....it's a team thing.

Hate America or dislike Americans all you want. We'll be there to help out next time you need us. We are stupid like that.



One of the 54,000,000 stupid Americans.

[bleachit]

We are taught that Americans like to think they are helping more often than not. It was our planning and bombing raids that burnt Germany to the ground, and ended the war, raiding by night and very successfully. The Americans tried to bomb the Germans in the day and lost hundreds and hundreds of planes and men and made little or no impression. Anyone taught anything else? I would like to know.
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British night time bombing was not very effective at all... hell, they could barely find the military targets so they chose to carpet bomb. The Americans took a "preicision" approach and actually attempted to bomb military targets. To say the American bombing campaign made little or no impression is just crazy.. without the American bombers, the war would have lasted much longer. The US and the British together kept the luftwaffe and the German people on edge 24 hours a day. The US bombing during the day, and british at night turned out to work well because of this.



the US did bomb the germans during the day, and did a darn good job of it.

[B.A.M.]

:rofl: :rofl:

[Jeffy-CanCon]

It's funny 'cause it's true!

Do you really think Americans are really that stupid? I find this entire thread depressing as hell. The world has really gone anti-american and even some Americans are jumping on the band wagon....That's sad.

I don't think that any of the allied soldiers or Marines that paid the ultimate price on the killing grounds of Europe, The Pacific Islands or anywhere else would agree with you all that any one nation won WW2. The Brits didn't and nor did the Yanks.

Geo politics is much like paintball....it's a team thing.

Hate America or dislike Americans all you want. We'll be there to help out next time you need us. We are stupid like that.



One of the 54,000,000 stupid Americans.

Lighten-up, guy. This is not a thread about hating Americans, or disrespecting anyone else's contributions to various wars (except maybe the French). It's about the history we are taught in school, or see in TV & movies, that may be a little slanted. Stuff has been said about the USA, but also about Japan, Germany, the UK and Canada. Most people here seem to have the opinion that the UK does a decent job of teaching their history, but I wonder what they are taught about Sir Jeffery Amherst, or about English teatment of Indian textile workers at the start of the industrial revolution.

[steveg]

"Maritime interdiction operations: Since the beginning of Op APOLLO, Canadian ships have hailed more than 21,800 vessels. To date, Canadian ships have performed more than 50 percent of the 1,100 boardings conducted by the multinational coalition fleet."


http://www.centcom.mil/Operations/Co...ges/canada.htm

considering how effective that boat and crewman are why would we need more?

shame on you jeffy you Should know that the Halifax class frigates are considered
amongst the best of the class.