How do we fix AO?

[OysterBoy]

yes q, thank god for suggesting it. Bring back another forum, one much like fightclub, but for members diserving it. upstanding members, and members of join dates before a certain date, say 2k2 since 2k3 is when we really started our decent.

Funniest thing I have read all day.

[-=Squid=-]

Funniest thing I have read all day.

... Because it's true.

[SpecialBlend2786]

I think TooDamnSweet needs to give back some of that AO spirit. ;-)

yes

[Target Practice]

I think a Changing of the Guard is needed as far as the moderating team is concerned. I think some may consider me biased as far as my choices on who needs to stay and who needs to go, but that is anothing thing entirely.

For the sake of brevity, I'll give my list of who needs to stay: Miscue and Army should definately stay, and LoadSM5 and BlackVCG if they still want the position. I only say Miscue and Army, because they are the only mods that have worked with me to resolve problems that I have been involved in.

With the rest of the mods, never once I have I gotten a PM, or even a warning when I was doing something wrong. I have seen a very senior and well known mod call a member a name, which when posted on AO would result in filter activation, and most likely, a ban for flaming. Mind you, this was AO Chat, while the person was in a moderating role, where the forum rules still apply. There is very strong evidence that a Mod on this forum threatened and flamed a member of this forum using very innappropriate language. While this was offsite, it was still very innappropriate, and was a glaring example of conduct unbecoming of a Moderator, if the evidence is true.

So, let a new Team take over. As is often needed in times of change, a purge of the leadership could bring good things for the site. For starters, I think Muzikman and Nerobro should be part of the new Moderating team, if they wanted to.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

maybe we could play some bonding games...

LIKE THE NAME GAME!!!


yesssssss.........

[bofh]

So, let a new Team take over.

Eh. I wouldn't be so quick to start chucking Mods out. Who we have have worked for a good long time.

We don't fully know what went wrong, in the last few days. And until we do, we shouldn't suggest removing any mods from AO.

One of the things that would let us understand what's currently wrong with AO, would be better communication from the mods on their actions.

If we do talk about adding mods, I do second Nerobro and Muzikman.

[Target Practice]

One of the things that would let us understand what's currently wrong with AO, would be better communication from the mods on their actions.

Well, okay then. Make their conversations public. I'm not saying they have to include us in those conversations, mind you. What could possibly be so bad/secret that they have to keep it behind closed doors?

EDIT: Perhaps a publicly viewable list of everyone's ban information, a la The Bad Traders List.

[bofh]

Well, okay then. Make their conversations public. I'm not saying they have to include us in those conversations, mind you. What could possibly be so bad/secret that they have to keep it behind closed doors?

EDIT: Perhaps a publicly viewable list of everyone's ban information, a la The Bad Traders List.

A ban list is an excellent idea. With Ban comments.

Us peons could look at it, and say, "hey, so and so got banned for doing this. I should avoid doing this because it's a touchy subject."

[Target Practice]

A ban list is an excellent idea. With Ban comments.

Us peons could look at it, and say, "hey, so and so got banned for doing this. I should avoid doing this because it's a touchy subject."

Exactly. Of course, this wouldn't really be needed as much if PMs and warnings were a more widely used tool in the mods box of goodies.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

I dont get what the big deal is. The mods shouldnt have to make a ban list and explain there actions. Somebody at the top thought they were good enough people to make judgement calls and thats good enough for me. Ive been on forums where the mods really are "nazis", but I dont see it like that here.

It seems that the only reason everyone is mad is because people are getting banned. If everyone just took it easy for a while and only the idiots got banned(like it used to be). Then nobody would have anything to complain about.

maybe they should just close the site for like 24 hours and let everyone drink a few saturday night beers and feel better tommorrow.

[Target Practice]

Then where is the HARM in them explaining their actions?

[matt-o]

i just got off my ban for asking why squid's thread on who has been banned was closed, it think that this is what mango was talking about earlier in the thread. i also agree that the only reason people are getting pissed is that people are getting banned, mostly for dumb reasons though. so some mod changing is in order to solve that one.
oh yeah that and the sig naziing

maybe they should just make a seperate forum for people to complain and have rants and not even have any mods or swear filters or anything. just to let people get it out of their system, if someone was on a temporary ban they sould be limited to that forum to vent off their anger. theres the freindly corner and the unfreindly corner

[PBX Ronin 23]

This is how you fix AO.......

Newtism - to do nothing in a wake of pandemonium except find a reason to laugh.
To Newt Somebody - to incessantly make fun of somebody like CollegeBoy for no apparent reason except for previously justified reasons for doing so in the past.
Albinonewtology - the science of applying humor for whatever reason you may have and under whatever circumstance may be at the present time.

Hence, we should all study Albinonewtology so that we can more readily be willing Newtists in a community that seems to be fraying at the edges.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Then where is the HARM in them explaining their actions?

im sure theres no harm in it. The mods usually tell why someone was banned when you corner them and directly ask them. I just think it seems like a lot of work for them to make a big police report type of thing everytime they enforce the rules.


Personally I dont mind when someone else gets banned. Im going to be honest it doesnt bother me to not see someone post for 3 days, or never again. This is an internet forum, not that big of a deal, and it just doesnt bother me so maybe thats why I dont really care who the mods ban because I trust most all the mods to make good judgement calls.

I mean honestly, when you hear so and so got banned, does it have a negative effect your day in any way?

I think the bigger problem isnt the bannings its the overall attitude of AO that I dont like as much as the old AO. And it makes it worse when everyone whines about so and so getting banned and calling the mods nazi's and making threads about leaving. Once that stuff starts it just spreads.....

[Target Practice]

Who, then, are the mods responsible to? TK? Zupe? Themselves? God forbid...us? Perhaps when we figure this out, we can examine if the mods are the problem.

Personally, I think the mods are responsible to those they oversee: us. The way I see it, they are like government officials, who work for the people who are "under" them. If this is the case, they have a responsibility to keep us informed.

Like I said. I don't have problems with mods that let me know what's going on. It's the ones that do things behind our collective back that I am wary of and tend not to trust.