Star Wars Episode 1-3, A LOST HOPE

[Steelrat]

I am willing to go with the idea that a protocol droid with language capabilities is a greater chance to blurt out information he shouldn't than an astromech droid that only speaks machine language is. That was my take on it. R2 and 3PO seemed to already have somewhat of a relationship in ANH. I'm going with R2 not filling in 3PO with all the details in their past.

Capt. Antillies being the droids master was established in ANH, the name is just common I guess. Is Wedge ever reffered to by his full name in any of the movies? I can't remember.

Okay, you got me on the Antilles part, I didn't remember that. The whole C3P0/R2D2 thing I still believe was a crutch. I fully believe that Lucas made a point of trying to intigrate characters from the original movie into EP 1-3 as an attempt to generate fan interest. It would have made much more sense to just keep them out of it.

[gamarada717]

"Look at me, I know everything about Star Wars and want to sound intellegent. So I'm going to put down the new movies and sound classic"

You're telling me that these movies were actually bad? As in, this movie is worse than a chick flick?

Just because you had the story rewritten in your head a different way doesn't mean that the movie sucks. It's not your damn story. Money can not buy a great story.

Personally, I loved the entire series. Episode 2 lacked some acting skills, but was made up for with cool effects. I hate you Star Wars fanboys that believe everything should come out the way it does.

[quik]

It was entertaining, which was what it was supposed to do. If it didnt entertain you, go post on a message boa...


oh wait.

[Steelrat]

"Look at me, I know everything about Star Wars and want to sound intellegent. So I'm going to put down the new movies and sound classic"

You're telling me that these movies were actually bad? As in, this movie is worse than a chick flick?

Just because you had the story rewritten in your head a different way doesn't mean that the movie sucks. It's not your damn story. Money can not buy a great story.

Personally, I loved the entire series. Episode 2 lacked some acting skills, but was made up for with cool effects. I hate you Star Wars fanboys that believe everything should come out the way it does.

When did I say I knew everything? I guess I offended you by not liking it. Should I be sorry or something?

Were they absolutely horrible? No. Were they extremely disappointing? Yes. Like I said, I enjoyed the Chronicles of Riddick more than any of there, and that movie never tried to be anything other than a mindless scifi action romp.

Frankly, your attitude sucks. Why the hell should you hate me for disliking the movie? Another idiot who can't bother to come up with a decent post.

[Eatem Alive]

Well, I just saw Ep 3, and I know I will catch hell for this, but it wasTERRIBLE

*GASP!* your lucky you aint in cali more, partner.

i haven't seen it yet but i'm going tomorrow. i don't care how it turns out...i just love everything star wars.

[Steelrat]

*GASP!* your lucky you aint in cali more, partner.

i haven't seen it yet but i'm going tomorrow. i don't care how it turns out...i just love everything star wars.

You're just the kind of sucke..ah, customer that Lucas was counting on

me/runs and hides

In all seriousness, I love Star Wars too, but I don't think that gives Lucas a free pass. Rather, it makes me expect more from him.

[Blennidae]

"Look at me, I know everything about Star Wars and want to sound intellegent. So I'm going to put down the new movies and sound classic"

You're telling me that these movies were actually bad? As in, this movie is worse than a chick flick?

Just because you had the story rewritten in your head a different way doesn't mean that the movie sucks. It's not your damn story. Money can not buy a great story.

Personally, I loved the entire series. Episode 2 lacked some acting skills, but was made up for with cool effects. I hate you Star Wars fanboys that believe everything should come out the way it does.

There is more than one generation of fan out there. So much of the flak Lucas has received is from the older generation. The ones who grew up watching and waiting for the original trilogy to play out.

The older "fanboys" feel somewhat let down in the direction Lucas has taken the story. I don't think any fan wants a "cute" Star Wars movie. Ewoks were hated in '83 just like Jar Jar is now.

For the younger generation who never saw the original cuts on the big screen, I don't think they realize the impact Star Wars had on the previous generation. The story was more important than how cool things looked. We were able to look past a puppet and see a character.

When you see all those same characters later, and they all seem to have some previous connection, it makes it hard to believe.

What was Chewbacca's purpose in Ep. 3? Did it serve to tell us the relationship he has with Han Solo? He was there just to say Chewbacca was in the movie. I would have been happier just to see a wookie in the background that looked like Chewbacca. It would have been a tip of the hat to the fans, without beating us over the head with it. Does that make any sense?

[Steelrat]

There is more than one generation of fan out there. So much of the flak Lucas has received is from the older generation. The ones who grew up watching and waiting for the original trilogy to play out.

The older "fanboys" feel somewhat let down in the direction Lucas has taken the story. I don't think any fan wants a "cute" Star Wars movie. Ewoks were hated in '83 just like Jar Jar is now.

For the younger generation who never saw the original cuts on the big screen, I don't think they realize the impact Star Wars had on the previous generation. The story was more important than how cool things looked. We were able to look past a puppet and see a character.

When you see all those same characters later, and they all seem to have some previous connection, it makes it hard to believe.

What was Chewbacca's purpose in Ep. 3? Did it serve to tell us the relationship he has with Han Solo? He was there just to say Chewbacca was in the movie. I would have been happier just to see a wookie in the background that looked like Chewbacca. It would have been a tip of the hat to the fans, without beating us over the head with it. Does that make any sense?

One of these days I will learn to make a calm, rational, intelligent response like this.

Maybe

[hAppy]

I have heard both goods and bads, mostly bads though. Seems as if the first 3 episodes are way more futuristic then the last 3, how ironic

And it sounds here as if George Lucas had to cram the rest of the story in one 3 hour episode. I don't plan on watching it in the theatres, for SW tends to drag. I will just wait until someone can do the people a favor by uploading it to the beautiful internet.

[gimp]

It's already there!!! yay!!!

[gamarada717]

When did I say I knew everything? I guess I offended you by not liking it. Should I be sorry or something?

Were they absolutely horrible? No. Were they extremely disappointing? Yes. Like I said, I enjoyed the Chronicles of Riddick more than any of there, and that movie never tried to be anything other than a mindless scifi action romp.

Frankly, your attitude sucks. Why the hell should you hate me for disliking the movie? Another idiot who can't bother to come up with a decent post.

For some reason, I can pull the fact that you said they were extremely horrible by your use of increasingly large font with the word "Terrible".

"Another idiot who can't bother to come up with a decent post...."

I hear that every time I criticize someone. Ironic how that works, hand in hand...You acuse me of not being able to accept the fact that you didn't like the movie, but YOU can't accept the fact that I don't like your opinion of the movie.

And quite obviously, you have to have been a member of the forums for longer than 2 months to be intelligent.

Why would you post your thoughts about the movie unless you wanted other people to talk about it?

Your entire post contradicts itself Steelrat. Blennidae, I salute you for a good comeback, and I see your reasoning. However, including things like Chewbacca was not intended for people who have been with the series their whole life. It was intended for the people who have never seen the movies before I believe...if you were to watch the movies from 1 to 6, and not know how anything was going to happen, it might be kind of confusing.

[Eatem Alive]

You're just the kind of sucke..ah, customer that Lucas was counting on

me/runs and hides

In all seriousness, I love Star Wars too, but I don't think that gives Lucas a free pass. Rather, it makes me expect more from him.

you are exactly right. i am a HUGE sucker for star wars. they are good movies...search your feelings ryan, you know it to be true.

[MicroMiniMe]

As part of the first generation base of fans you have to realize things.
Before Return of the Jedi came out we took bets if Vader REALLY was Luke's father.
We saw the movies in theaters 10+ times for the most part.
Uh, yeah, the Slave Leia thing. We are sorry.

But Lucas had help with the script writing on the first series IIRC. THe script had some wit and geeky jokes. The dialogue was pretty simple and easy to follow for kids and such, but the wit and zingers made them classic. "Get this walking carpet out of my way!" "And I thought they smelled bad on the outside."

Now Lucas has a huge head/ego and did everything himself. The script is still for kids (well SITH maybe not entirely) but lacks the wit and zingers. Its just another action sci fi movie is all. We had expectations of greatness and he didn't get on par with before.

[Duzzy]

You acuse me of not being able to accept the fact that you didn't like the movie, but YOU can't accept the fact that I don't like your opinion of the movie.

I viewed the very first line in your post as an indirect attack, and I think that is what he was commenting on not your opinion of his opinion. And I think in your first post you came across as an whether you meant to or not.

Why would you post your thoughts about the movie unless you wanted other people to talk about it?

"Look at me, I know everything about Star Wars and want to sound intellegent. So I'm going to put down the new movies and sound classic"

This is a comment on his opinion of the movie? Sounds like mockery and insult to me.

Your entire post contradicts itself Steelrat.

Your first post wasn't that hot either

Blennidae, I salute you for a good comeback, and I see your reasoning. However, including things like Chewbacca was not intended for people who have been with the series their whole life. It was intended for the people who have never seen the movies before I believe...if you were to watch the movies from 1 to 6, and not know how anything was going to happen, it might be kind of confusing.

Don't know so I won't comment.

Let's all play nice shall we.

I have yet to see Episode III and I probably won't unless someone I know buys the DVD or someone I know goes to see it and I tag along.

To be honest the first two were disappointing. I thought the character of Anakin in Episode II was horrible. I didn't feel sorry for him, he came across as a whiny kid who wasn't getting everything he wanted. I wanted him to die so I wouldn't have to hear it any more.

The dialogue hasn't been that great in my own humble opinion. If you think it was great then I am glad you enjoyed it, but I didn't.

I think the biggest thing that hurt the first two (Other than parts I didn't consider very cool and interesting like Anakin being conceived by Micro-Chlorine stuff. Can anyone say Jesus wannabe?) was the lack of real choices. A good movie keeps you guessing, you are never quite sure what the person will do and frankly I didn't feel that in Episodes I & II. I didn't think the relationships between the characters were very solid either.

That is my totally off topic commentary so please enjoy it.

[gamarada717]

Duzzy, you have to admit that lots of people who watch Star Wars always have the attitude of, "The older ones were better, he ruined the new ones and they're utterly horrible".

Which, in my opinion, he clearly didn't. Could they have been better? Sure. Were they bad? No, not at all. I think anybody who says any Star Wars movie is bad doesn't know what he's talking about...either that, or they're stupid. I would say I would like for a 7,8, and 9 to come out, but I'll most likely be barraged with flames on how he would, "Mess them up".