Star Wars Episode 1-3, A LOST HOPE

[wyn1370]

To anyone who thinks lucas wrote all the movies at the same time, go back and watch the interviews again. He blantantly said that he had a very loose outline, nothing more. There needed to be a clone war, the republic becomes an empire and anakin becomes vader, that's all he had. I think in the since the first news of the prequals hit, he has changed the description of what was already completed for 1-3 drastically. 1-3 vs. 4-6 seem like they where written by completely different people because they where, end of story.

On a similar note, has anyone heard the old tale that lucas bought the stories off someone else?

[BigEvil]

On a similar note, has anyone heard the old tale that lucas bought the stories off someone else?

If that were true there would have been HUGE amounts of litigation all the way back from 1978. Even if someone 'sold' the stories to him, im sure whomever that was would have a least tried to get their hand in the cookie jar.

[dre1919]

You have raised some good points, and some I would like to share my opinion on...

I really don't have a problem with the prequels. They have great effects, are entertaining and awesome to watch, so to me it's no big deal. I just think people spend too much time disecting them...like we are here for example.

Anyway, my thing with Anakin is that ok, someone brought up the point that Obi Wan taught him, so he would know how to beat him. That, and his statement of the fight being "over" was a taunt to get Anakin to do something stupid. However, my point was, if he was "all powerful" and the most amazing Jedi ever (The Chosen One), he still shouldn't be able to be taken out by anyone than perhaps Yoda. He bested a Sith Lord BY HIMSELF (Dooku), because Obi Wan got knocked cold. Ok, both Anakin and Obi tried the force push thing on each other? I forgot that...but why not come back to it at a more opportune time? Like, say, when Obi Wan is trying to keep his balance on an object. Count Dooku used it on Obi to knock him out in their fight, so obviously Obi can be surprised by it, he just wasn't the first (and only time) Anakin tried it on him. I would have went back to that tactic. Or, if he was ruthlessly evil, he could have even used Padme as a human shield to get Obi to submit. He was all the way evil by that point, and believed Padme to be covorting with Obi, so why not a ruse (not saying he'd actually kill Padme or anything)?

I just have a problem with the fact they trumpet how powerful of a Jedi he is, and yet someone can best him in a straight up sword fight. Ok, maybe he's not as good with a saber yet. Fine. Where's his special mastery of the Force above and beyond that of a normal Jedi then? It would have made me happier to not see him lose to Obi Wan, better to have a draw or a no contest (or even him being tricked) by him falling into the lava, or getting badly burned by it or something (other than the way he did). I just didn't buy the discrenpencies in fights. Dooku slapped Obi around like a little girl, Anakin crushes Dooku, then loses to Obi. No continuity. Other than that, I think the film was really good.

One last point that I thought was odd. Anakin was always this petualant, angry teenager. Ok, but as soon as he straps on the Vader armor he becomes very calm, collected, "yes master" type. What, did his suit come with instant maturation as well? How come Palpatine could snap his fingers and Annie would no longer even question or get mad about a decision? He was cold and lifeless, with no emotion anymore (until the end of his final battle with Luke)?

~dre

[Lohman446]

It was loosing Padme that turned him lifeless, he lost all will to be "himself"

[MicroMiniMe]

To anyone who thinks lucas wrote all the movies at the same time, go back and watch the interviews again. He blantantly said that he had a very loose outline, nothing more. There needed to be a clone war, the republic becomes an empire and anakin becomes vader, that's all he had. I think in the since the first news of the prequals hit, he has changed the description of what was already completed for 1-3 drastically. 1-3 vs. 4-6 seem like they where written by completely different people because they where, end of story.
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This was my understanding as well. From the the George Maltin interviews on the VHS box set. Also, didn't ole Steve Speilberg get started with Lucas, and then went off on his own doing the Raiders of the Lost Arc/Indiana Jones trilogy?

Lucas has a good relationship with Joseph Campell, and had a great ability for storytelling and creativity. But writing a manuscript is not his strength.

/So in 10 years will there be 'Remastered Enhanced' versions of 1-3?

/Jar Jar played by Michael Jackson as himself on work release
/Younglings just all fell down the stairs, nothing to see here...
/IG88 has a cameo as a Jawa Juice vending machine

[MrMag]

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[breg]

Episode 3, I will never get the ticket price back. About the only good part, visually was the opening scene with the space battle raging around the two Jedi. But, aside from that and Padme's nightgown, the movie was over wrought, and well down right hokey. In fact, my friend said that when DarthVader yelled NOOOOO!!!!! Reminded him of the commerical when his light saber ran out of juice against the Energizer Bunny.
Though I DID like how when Palpatine went into dark side mode, his very posture changed, along with his voice.
I just did not like the movie as much as I thought I would.
Hell, even Samuel Jackson did not have a good Jedi death. He got thrown out a window!

[HarrysSon]

i just saw it today lol, i thought it awesome but R2D2 didnt have jets on episode 4, 5, or 6... i liked how things fell into place into the older movies like Anakin becoming darth vader and all those other things

on a scale of 1-10, i give episode 3 an 8

[Vex]

Phazeshifter, when the medical droid talks to Obi Wan, it specifically states that there is nothing physically wrong with Padme, and that she had just lost the will to live. Force choke had nothing to do with it.

Actually, the Force choke had everything to do with it.
Breakdown:
Anakin's pissed because he thinks Padme, his love, betrayed him to Obi-Wan. She sees that he's totally consumed by the Dark Side; he chokes her; she loses her will to live...

TA DA!

[Vex]

This was my understanding as well. From the the George Maltin interviews on the VHS box set. Also, didn't ole Steve Speilberg get started with Lucas, and then went off on his own doing the Raiders of the Lost Arc/Indiana Jones trilogy?

Lucas has a good relationship with Joseph Campell, and had a great ability for storytelling and creativity. But writing a manuscript is not his strength.

/So in 10 years will there be 'Remastered Enhanced' versions of 1-3?

/Jar Jar played by Michael Jackson as himself on work release
/Younglings just all fell down the stairs, nothing to see here...
/IG88 has a cameo as a Jawa Juice vending machine

Spielberg and Lucas did Indiana Jones together.
Lucas had a rough outline of how he wanted the story to go. He had the ENTIRE saga written around the same time.
There are dozens of interviews with him stating this.

[Steelrat]

Actually, the Force choke had everything to do with it.
Breakdown:
Anakin's pissed because he thinks Padme, his love, betrayed him to Obi-Wan. She sees that he's totally consumed by the Dark Side; he chokes her; she loses her will to live...

TA DA!

Yeah, but thats not what you implied before:

She died as a result of the Force choke that Vader laid upon her throat.

Good reasoning that second time though But Homey still don't play that.

[wyn1370]

Spielberg and Lucas did Indiana Jones together.
Lucas had a rough outline of how he wanted the story to go. He had the ENTIRE saga written around the same time.
There are dozens of interviews with him stating this.

ok, you're stating two completely different things, how can he have a rough outline and have the the ENTIRE saga written, not the same.

Personally I think he's full of crap, and he had next to nothing completed for 1-3. And even if he did, who's to say he didn't completely re-write it all anyway. I mean look how much he has changed of the original triology between all the different versions.

[SlartyBartFast]

i just saw it today lol, i thought it awesome but R2D2 didnt have jets on episode 4, 5, or 6...

Heck, all droids needed cranes to get them in and out of ships.

1-2-3 = Ships piloted by droids. Complex display screens.

4-5-6 = Ships piloted by humans. Low tech.

Star Wars has always been great eye-candy with a poor story and badly thought out premise.

THe worst thing though is that the writing was so poor, nothing was left open. Nothing left to discuss, few questions to keep interest.


But all I could think of while Anakin/Vadar was being transported after being burned was: "Good thing he lost his legs, otherwise that medical pod would be too short."

But really. Why would Obi leave Vadar alive? Either finish your enemy off, give him a sword to take their own life, or have pity for your own comrade/brother and put him out of his misery.

Star Wars never took its tech seriously like the trekie idiots, so htere's less to explain and incongruities are forgiveable. But, the lack of explaination and the unclear aspect of when Anakin was being a whiney impatient idiot and when he was under the influence of either the dark side or Sidious' mind powers made it difficult to follow.

[matt-o]

I think that is the point. Since there is no further relationship between the two shown in the later movies, it was gratuitous to show them together like they did in ep.3. It didn't really add anything to the story. It was just a "hey look, Chewbacca's in the movie!" kind of thing.

though i didnt like ep3 much i did kind of like how lucas did that. the only reason yoda survived was because he was not only with the clones, but the wookies. i dunno why but i liked that, obi wan's survival of that huge fall sucked however and made no sense. im kinda starting to like ep3 more since ive watched the other 5 again, its sure not as good as 4/5/6 but much better than the ep1/2.the darker theme of the movie helped alot to make it more interesting and cover up the little things. but i also doubt that the death star took 18 or so years to finish, or that it could be kept secret from the alliance for that long.

[atm743]

jest to say this before reading my post

its late im tired i can spell so please dont flame me because i can spell

i have things that i want to state and i would like to see what people have to think on my thoughts of the movie and what will happen





well i have jest got back from seeing it and i have to agree and disagree with you

i really do hate how he has the dream and he's like must save padima

plus with all the charactors shorted it dosent look like it can jest jump from this movie to the episode 4

also i have to say is

were is lando carizian and hon solo

hon know's chobaka and lando stole the melenium falcon from the empire

ooooooooooooooooo

there has to been an other episode then

i can see it now

STAR WARS VERSTION 3.5

but i did like the fighting sequenses and how it shows how he turned and what happen to luke and lea