Canadian Libers Ponder Banning Handguns

[Recon by Fire]

Slartly, I cannot say that I agree with ideas on firearms and self protection at all but everyone is certainly welcome to their own decisions.

But as for me, should I ever need to defend myself or another from serious harm/death I would certainly want the caopability to do so...without running out to the sporting goods store, loading the weapon, and removing several locking devices. Hopefully the assailants will be polite and wait patiently for you should it ever occur. So I will just go on keeping my Beretta locked and loaded at all times with high power hydroshocks in my high capacity mags. I am licensed to carry concealed and will continue to do so wether those out there feel safe with me doing so or not. BTW you are much safer with me carrying than your possible assailant carrying!

You seriously cannot use lethal force for defense in Canada??? I guess I am not surprised but it is ridiculous. I guess I would not be a very good Canadian.

[tropical_fishy]

The meaning of "liberal" has been bastardized. People who do not use their brains... but rather worry about what makes them feel good... are often characterized as "liberals." Personally, I do not characterize these people as either liberal or conservative... but a third option: Stupid. And these stupid people are large in number and have loud voices. It's kind of irritating.

Let's say the government banned all firearms. Who would fight against this? True liberals! A liberal would say: As a human being and citizen... I have this right! And this is why!

The right to own firearms is a liberal idea!

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Also. I used to be very much for gun control. Then I realized... in a perfect world, guns for protection's sake would be unnecessary. We don't live in a perfect world, (that's why there's Walgreens) so banning good people from getting guns through legal channels is a completely useless endeavor. The people we don't want having guns-- the total whackjobs who go out and do bad things with them are going to get them anyway.

Kay, I'm done.

[billybob_81067]

Kay, I'm done.

Who's Kay?

Since you quoted Miscue when you said that, are you implying that his name is Kay?

[slateman]

Eh, whatever. I could care less what Canada does. I wasn't planning on visiting anytime soon. Here in VA, my gun laws are quite sensible (maybe even a little lax). That means I get to keep my Glock and USP

[Eagle]

Eh, whatever. I could care less what Canada does. I wasn't planning on visiting anytime soon. Here in VA, my gun laws are quite sensible (maybe even a little lax). That means I get to keep my Glock and USP

Really? I thought they were a little to strict myself. Why shouldn't I be able to carry concealed into 7-11? Or a Norfolk city park? For that matter, as a law abiding citizen, why should I have to have a permit to carry concealed at all? Oh well, no big deal.

[tropical_fishy]

Who's Kay?

Since you quoted Miscue when you said that, are you implying that his name is Kay?

Are you trying to be funny? You fail miserably. Next time I'll use smaller words, okay?

[billybob_81067]

Are you trying to be funny? You fail miserably. Next time I'll use smaller words, okay?

Yes, I failed miserably, just like you did when you were trying to be funny in my Rattle can camo job thread.

just sayin...

So, ya know, if you want to stop nit-picking my posts, then I suppose I would stop nit-picking yours too. :)

[Target Practice]

Yes, I failed miserably, just like you did when you were trying to be funny in my Rattle can camo job thread.

just sayin...

So, ya know, if you want to stop nit-picking my posts, then I suppose I would stop nit-picking yours too. :)

You know, I understand that you have this feud with TF, but will you do us all a favor and quit crapping up my thread.

[tropical_fishy]

Really? I thought they were a little to strict myself. Why shouldn't I be able to carry concealed into 7-11? Or a Norfolk city park? For that matter, as a law abiding citizen, why should I have to have a permit to carry concealed at all? Oh well, no big deal.

I don;t think it's a bad idea to have to have a permit to carry concealed. YOU may be a law-abiding citizen, but not everyone is. That being said, I feel the same way about permits as I do about gun laws... they're useless for the purpose they're trying to serve. They keep people with good intentions in limbo whereas people with bad intentions go out and purchase illegally anyway, and carry concealed-- with or without a permit. The only purpose it really serves is when law enforcement stumbles across a person carrying concealed without a permit... I dont know what the penalties are, and it probably varies state to state, but I personally want the officer finding that weapon to be able to confiscate it. If someone can't/won't go through the trouble of attaining a permit, to me, it's the same as some moron driving without a license. Maybe the rest of us will get lucky and not get hurt-- but then again, maybe not.

[Miscue]

You can't predict when you'll need a firearm.

I know several people who have had to draw their weapon, including immediate family. Attempted robbery with a deadly weapon... house break-in during the night... getting shot at while stopped at a red light from the next car while driving to a funeral... ended up missing the funeral.

The robbery ended up with the guy dropping his knife and going to the ground until the police came. The house break-in was luckily uneventful. The car thing... a guy was going crazy or something... he shot the side mirror and was ultimately shot/killed in self-defense.

If the anti-gun people had their way... at least two people I know might be dead. That's one reason why I have a middle-finger extended to those anti-gun idiots.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Just as an update, and background:

In order to buy/sell/possess firearms or ammuntion, Canadians need to obtain a federal license (unless you are native subsistence hunter in the Arctic). There's a background check, and a mandatory training course and a test. Your (current or former) spouse has the option to call a 1-800 number and veto your application.

What is non-restricted, restricted or prohibited mostly follows a logical scheme, but with some apparently random elements. The law is written such that the government can ban anything at any time, with no need for new legislation.

The proposal put forth by the government during this election campaign is basically a pure publicity exercise. They intend to invite the provinces to pass laws banning (already) illegal handguns. They want to exempt the target shooters who are already nearly the only people in Canada with legally owned handguns. They would double the minimum sentences for gun-crime, and reinstate some of the money for policing that was cut over the previous decade of Liberal rule.

http://www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?id=1141

[Lohman446]

So I will just go on keeping my Beretta locked and loaded at all times with high power hydroshocks in my high capacity mags. I am licensed to carry concealed and will continue to do so wether those out there feel safe with me doing so or not. BTW you are much safer with me carrying than your possible assailant carrying!

:) And people look at the revolver I carry and think its an ok gun for self defense and not one of those gun nut "automatics".

/Ignore the fact that if I am not careful with ammo selection the .357 mag rounds are prone to overpenetration
//And I have the same ammo type
///But its a snubby revolver, so its ok
////Stupid people.

[Thordic]

Why does your former spouse get to veto your application?

So basically, if you go through a nasty divorce, forget about ever owning a gun?

[Creative Mayhem]

Basically it boils down to Canada being a "peace loving nation" We really don't have the gun mentality of the US, I have said this to more than a few of you that I have met(more directed to wards paintbal but it holds true to an extent here) For the most part, Canadians have not been raised with guns around, or the mentality of "you NEED a gun to protect yourself" I am not putting down the American belief, is that what you feel you need to be safe, so be it, thats the way you were taught and raised, and how your society is. In Canada we haven't NEEDED guns persay, this whole incicent is a way to suck the fearmongers into voting for a government that is recently looking bad in the eyes of the voters.

If you want to own guns, if you dont want guns in your house, it's your choice. Heck if you feel a rubberband and popcicle sticks are good enough to protect yourself, then by all means, do so and have fun while you're at it.

[Boski51]

I don't know if Americans buy guns to feel safe. I would argue that is a simplification of the argument. I think that the vast majority of gun owning Americans use the guns they own as tools or sporting equipment. Hunters hunt for the fun of it and supply food for the family. Farmers and Ranchers have then as tools of there trades.

Some people love to just shoot targets and clay pigeons. I used to compete in IPSC or Action or Combat shooting. To me it was a sport.

Just as Canada has things about it that we just don't understand, so does America. All nations have a history and background that make it interesting and unique. Our Christian heritage, gun culture, puritanical work ethic, violant history, porn, drug, TV and hyper commercial addicted culture make us what we are-for better or worst.