Canadian Libers Ponder Banning Handguns

[BlackVCG]

As more than one or two of you are aware I am english and obviously do see things from a slightly different view point.
I have fired guns on my last trip to the US both hand and high powered hunting rifles. To me it was an expirience not something I would wish to do/have on a regular basis.

What does your personal experience with firing firearms have ANYTHING to do with the topic? You neither explicitly stated whether you're for or against fireams, but it seems to me you're not a fan. That's fine but bringing your personal enjoyment or lack their of from using firearms is completely irrelevant.

My goverment kneejerk reacted and banned all guns over .22 calibre (shot guns are still allowed to be held) after a guy shot up a school in Dunblane...all the guns were legally held and in the aftermath it was discovered that there had been concerns about the particular individual holding the permits for the guns he had. The US has a long catalogue of these type of random shootings, from nutters to disenchanted kids who had another pupil look at them a funny way but no reaction from your goverment.

The USA just happens to be a bit larger than England and a few more people... So yeah, there's plenty of instances of public shootings, but if you want to look at it on a relative ratio level to England it should come out pretty much the same.

Canada is vote hunting as already said by some Canadians and a couple of Americans. Sure the expansion of the country in the past does have some bearing but to be fair you can't have it both ways since if you apply the past to the US as well then your 2nd ammendment was created to help the country if the British tried to take back the country, NOT so you can feel secure when you go to your local 7-11 to do your grocery shopping. That said if all handguns were made illegal then at least the police would have a far easier time, since if the person who points something (mistakes are made) at a police officer then they odds are totally in favour of that person being a criminal...not because of what they "might" have done but the simply observation that they are holding an illegal weapon. In the UK they have just this week created a poll of the Police to see if they wish to become armed...the results are not yet known.

Wow. Just wow. First of all, the framers of the constitution with all respects to the constitution looked far beyond the time they were living in. It wasn't all about removing the British and establishing a governing and military protection from the British. The constitution came down to principles and what is best for the people. "The government for the people and by the people." There's a reason it's the longest standing document in a government's history.

Secondly, you might want to study criminal behavior more because criminals prefer not to point guns at the police. Especially in the US where every police officer is armed and some security personnel also. Removing the ownership of firearms from "the people" simply gives the criminals a better sense of security that they will not face an armed citizen. Furthermore it's a way for anti-gun advocates to shutdown the firearm manufacturers by reducing their production rates.

I'm sorry you care even in the SLIGHTEST amount what a poll says. Polls say exactly what those reporting them want them to say. Furthermore it's funny that now your country is looking at arming the police. Has crime got so out of control that now the police want firearms so they can actually do something?

A sideways thing that I am sure many canadians are aware of but not US citizens is that Canada has been trying to push through a Paintball marker registration scheme for many years. Due to my laws possibly changing with regard to Air Weapons and age limits/classification my Paintball markers might also have to become registered.

More BS. More legistlation. More personal freedoms removed by legistators looking to justify their existence.

[Lohman446]

No, that's based off of Hitlers own writings that wer discovered a couple years ago. It was to be a sequal to Mien Kampf, but was never published. In the work he detailed the need for subs that could operate for long periods off of the American Coast and long range bombers. The subs (Type 21s) came on line about the time he had planned, but with far more bugs due to the shattered German industrial complex. The 'America Bomber' project never made it off of the drawing board due to the war itself.

USSR had long range weapons, long range tactics, and an ability to strike us directly. Does that mean they were intent on invading us? Or for that matter, we had long range capabilities, subs operating off of the Russian coast, the ability to target and hit Russia (and to this day many other countries). Does that mean we are preparing to invade China?

If Germany had won militarly against our allies they would have had to have had something to rival us as a power. Well at that point simply to project force to keep us at bay.

[MarkM]

My personal enjoyment or feelings as to the use of a firearm IS relevent since that is what the Canadians who are vote seeking are using as a base for their reasoning....it ain't just a case they don't like the look so they don't want them. I also said that I have fired real firearms so that I could not be accused of not of having tried something so in turn I would have nothing to base my opinions on.

Ratio of schools getting shot up with a bigger population....might work except we have had Two attacks (schools) and one was with a machete and knives and one with Guns (Dunblane) plus 1 case of a sniper type thing (Hungerford)...so your numbers don't add up with that comparision.

If the Constitution was so ahead of its time why all the amendments? I really don't want to turn this into a constitutional arguement. but the 2nd Amendment was written because of the need for an armed militia (The people) in case of protection of the shores/land of the US...when written the only threat was the British not some Guy with a crack addiction.

The perceived need for the arming of our Police on a regular footing has more to do with ill thought through recent political decisions and the concequences that it has now caused.

My last paragraph was simply observation and whilst I am not happy about the possible need for my markers to be registered I will register them if need be. I included the information since it shows that things are not confined to simply Canada. Incidently if you live on the Jersey (Part of the British Isles but they have their own Goverment that is allowed to make their own laws, similar to differring states have different laws) They have to have a Firearms Certificate to be able to own Paintball markers, even if they don't own a shotgun or anything else.

[Recon by Fire]

Well Canada, the UK, and everywhere else can do what ever they like with their firearm, ban them if you want completely. That is for them to work out. The UK and Europe despite being so anti-gun happen to be some of the largest firearm producers in the world.

We'll just keep ours :) In fact my recent carbine purchase has now made it possible for me to load 20 and 30 round magazines into my pistol. Of course you can always just remove the 30 round mag and just use it as a club :)

[Eagle]

USSR had long range weapons, long range tactics, and an ability to strike us directly. Does that mean they were intent on invading us? Or for that matter, we had long range capabilities, subs operating off of the Russian coast, the ability to target and hit Russia (and to this day many other countries). Does that mean we are preparing to invade China?

If Germany had won militarly against our allies they would have had to have had something to rival us as a power. Well at that point simply to project force to keep us at bay.

Some in the Soviet government wanted to go at it with us, and vice versa. But that having been said, just because you have the ability, doesn't mean you have the desire (as in the case of the Cold War) and just because you have the desire doesn't mean you have the means (Hitler).

[paint magnet]

Um no, Hitler didnt invade the US because it wasnt a viable option at the time. Also, let the canadians ban guns, then me and 2 of my brothers will invade and annex all the useful parts of the country.

Hitler didn't invade the US for the same reasons (and more) he didn't invade Britian. He simply did not have the means to. And you will recall Britian is mostly unarmed.

Well hell, it certainly didn't make him any more likely to do it.