Canadian Libers Ponder Banning Handguns

[Recon by Fire]

:) And people look at the revolver I carry and think its an ok gun for self defense and not one of those gun nut "automatics".

/Ignore the fact that if I am not careful with ammo selection the .357 mag rounds are prone to overpenetration
//And I have the same ammo type
///But its a snubby revolver, so its ok
////Stupid people.

LOL, good thing it is just a revolver forget the fact it is a .357 Magnum! LOL
My Beretta 92F/S is just a 9mm but I have been considering upgrading to a Sig .357 magnum automatic. They even have a Blackwater edition!


For me gun ownership/carrying is not to make me feel secure. As I said, I usually do not carry anyway. My entire adult life has involved a some form of employment involving the carrying of a firearm so it only seems ntural to have one.

[nippinout]

My entire adult life has involved a some form of employment involving the carrying of a firearm so it only seems ntural to have one.

I always feel like I'm naked when I'm not wearing pants. Or a firearm.

[Eagle]

I always feel like I'm naked when I'm not wearing pants. Or a firearm.

LOL, I used to feel the same way, then I got out of the habit of carrying because I moved out of Va for a year. But I do still carry on occasion.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Why does your former spouse get to veto your application?

So basically, if you go through a nasty divorce, forget about ever owning a gun?

Pretty much, yeah. Not only does your spouse/former-spouse get a veto, it's secret.

Most murder victims are killed by spouses or family members. And at the time the law was passed, there had been a few high-profile cases. To the best of my knowledge, the spousal veto has been used about 1500-2000 times to deny a license application (heard the lower number a couple of years ago). In total, about 15-16000 people have had their application denied for one reason or another.

We can't really say "all Canadians are like ____" any more than you can say "all Americans are like _______". I grew up in the north, and pretty well everybody I knew had rifles and shotguns, and used them to put food on the table. Now I live in the south, and almost nobody here has one. As a country, we probably have nearly as many rifles per capita, but probably a fraction as many handguns. A best estimate on rifles/shotguns is 20+ million, but less than 1/2 million pistols (for 31 million people).

Historically, the patterns of settlement and the nature of our political independences may be the difference. From what I have read, American westward expansion tended to be unplanned, with individual families or small groups striking out on their own. Ahead of governments and police forces and armies. They needed weapons to hunt, to protect their livestock and themselves. Canadian settlement tended to be driven by corporations and governments. Settlers arriving on our frontier found the police, the shopkeeper and the banker waiting for them. Given those differences, the natures of our respective independence movements should be considered no surprise.

[Barjack420]

The reason for the sudden move to try and ban handguns was because of a huge rash of gang shootings during august and september. Honestly like 3 shootings a day something like 40 shootings

I just moved to toronto from Washington DC and was like WTF?


But yeah the ban is a pretty asinine move

[Recon by Fire]

Why don't they just ban the gangs instead? Then they hit multiple birds with one stone; reduces gun violence, assault and battery; robbery; etc..... Besides, how criminal have you met that cared what the firearm laws are?

I guess that would make too much sense :)

[Miscue]

Why don't they just ban the gangs instead? Then they hit multiple birds with one stone; reduces gun violence, assault and battery; robbery; etc..... Besides, how criminal have you met that cared what the firearm laws are?

I guess that would make too much sense :)

They should ban anything that is against the law.

[paint magnet]

Hitler thought this was a great idea.

If I recall correctly, wasn't one of the main reasons Hitler didn't invade the U.S. because of the large percentage of Americans that owned guns?

[kosmo]

Um no, Hitler didnt invade the US because it wasnt a viable option at the time. Also, let the canadians ban guns, then me and 2 of my brothers will invade and annex all the useful parts of the country.

[Recon by Fire]

Um no, Hitler didnt invade the US because it wasnt a viable option at the time. Also, let the canadians ban guns, then me and 2 of my brothers will invade and annex all the useful parts of the country.

Don't you dare! They have that dreaded F-word lineage up there.

Ban everything illegal? Huh???

[Lohman446]

If I recall correctly, wasn't one of the main reasons Hitler didn't invade the U.S. because of the large percentage of Americans that owned guns?

Hitler didn't invade the US for the same reasons (and more) he didn't invade Britian. He simply did not have the means to. And you will recall Britian is mostly unarmed.

[Eagle]

Hitler did plan to invade the US, but not untill the mid to late 40s when he figured he'd be done with Europe and have the long range means. The Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor screwed up his plans.

[Lohman446]

Hitler did plan to invade the US, but not untill the mid to late 40s when he figured he'd be done with Europe and have the long range means. The Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor screwed up his plans.

That based off the infamous British intelligence?

[MarkM]

As more than one or two of you are aware I am english and obviously do see things from a slightly different view point.
I have fired guns on my last trip to the US both hand and high powered hunting rifles. To me it was an expirience not something I would wish to do/have on a regular basis.

My goverment kneejerk reacted and banned all guns over .22 calibre (shot guns are still allowed to be held) after a guy shot up a school in Dunblane...all the guns were legally held and in the aftermath it was discovered that there had been concerns about the particular individual holding the permits for the guns he had. The US has a long catalogue of these type of random shootings, from nutters to disenchanted kids who had another pupil look at them a funny way but no reaction from your goverment.

Canada is vote hunting as already said by some Canadians and a couple of Americans. Sure the expansion of the country in the past does have some bearing but to be fair you can't have it both ways since if you apply the past to the US as well then your 2nd ammendment was created to help the country if the British tried to take back the country, NOT so you can feel secure when you go to your local 7-11 to do your grocery shopping. That said if all handguns were made illegal then at least the police would have a far easier time, since if the person who points something (mistakes are made) at a police officer then they odds are totally in favour of that person being a criminal...not because of what they "might" have done but the simply observation that they are holding an illegal weapon. In the UK they have just this week created a poll of the Police to see if they wish to become armed...the results are not yet known.

A sideways thing that I am sure many canadians are aware of but not US citizens is that Canada has been trying to push through a Paintball marker registration scheme for many years. Due to my laws possibly changing with regard to Air Weapons and age limits/classification my Paintball markers might also have to become registered.

[Eagle]

That based off the infamous British intelligence?

No, that's based off of Hitlers own writings that wer discovered a couple years ago. It was to be a sequal to Mien Kampf, but was never published. In the work he detailed the need for subs that could operate for long periods off of the American Coast and long range bombers. The subs (Type 21s) came on line about the time he had planned, but with far more bugs due to the shattered German industrial complex. The 'America Bomber' project never made it off of the drawing board due to the war itself.