People who continue to complain about Iraq...

[lather]

I could go on and on and on about this subject, however I will try to keep it short.

First, the reason we went into Iraq, and the dolts who only think we went in because of WMD. Well there was a nice list of over 100 reasons to go in and WMD was somewhere in the middle. First and foremost of the reasons to go in there and kick his arse is, the bloody surrendered in '91, and surrendered unconditionally. Now they had this nice little no fly zone that they were not supposed to shoot at planes flying in these areas, specifically alliance planes. They shot at them on a regular basis. Also there were close to 50 UN resolutions (all of which legal and binding with military force as a consequence) and they violated them all. They also had mandatory UN inspections of thier weapons facilities, 99% of the time these inspectors were harrased, prevented form visiting sites unnannounced (as per their UN mandate), and kicked out of the country altogether. These few reasons alone we had ample justification in going in and removing him from power.

Now what really 'grinds my gears' are people in politics who use everything to thier posturing to furthur thier political career even when nearly everything they spew is either utterly false or so twisted it is completely false. Of course 90% of them are Democrats, and if a Republican 'god forbid' try it Democrats swarm all over them nearly ruining thier careers.

But the true kicker and sad part of this whole situation is this Sheehan **** who is dishonoring her son and everything he stood for. Her son was an elite soldier who went through hell jsut to have the honor of being able to fight for our country above and beyond what normal soldiers endure. A Navy Seal seeks these types of situations. They want to be able to use thier training. I have a friend whos son was a Navy Seal and he died as well in this mess. The one thing she said that makes me despise Sheehan even more is 'He died doing what he loved doing and wanted to do his whole life.'. Why cant this witch respect her son and afford him the dignity that he was doing exactly what he wanted to do. I cannot understand her grief, however her actions have gone far above and beyond, everything she does and says is a publicity stunt.


grrr... I better stop here before I get too much more worked up and rant for hours......

Actually all of us "dolts" made the mistake in believing our President when he told the American public that WMD's the prevailing reason for going into Iraq in the first place. As a moderate, I think that your your 90% falsehood statements is much more aptly attributed to the Republicans. I believe the American people got fed up with the Republicans lies and arrogance--It may be a reason why the Republicans lost the House and Senate.

[iambored]

the maturity of this thread is disturbing. For evey good post there is a flaming post targeted towards someone or a group of people.

but any way,
We didn't neccisarily have to come in as poorly as we did, but personally I also think democracy wasn't built to work for the whole intire world. Now were stuck there, and as long as we stay on relativly peaceful grounds with Iran we're relativly fine. Our military wouldn't handle the Iranian military alone. We'd need help on that one if Iran stepped in.

[bornl33t]

wrong

[punkncat]

Several posters have already shared much of my sentiment in this.

Our boys are over there, whether they should be or not is not the issue any longer. They are there and deserve all the support they need to get home safely.

Is it a FUBAR situation? Absolutely.

Has that area ALWAYS been a hotbed throughout written history? Yes.

Who is president Bush to think that he or we could solve what 1000's of years of war and crusade has done nothing for?

As far as I am concerned, now that we are there, do what it takes and get each and every one of our boys home safe. And don't do anything that makes all the lives already lost wasted.

We have billions of dollars and a thousand + lives invested now, we MUST find a way to "win".......

[Lohman446]

. People who disregard that and comment from their armchairs... that's not an opinion. .

So you have been there? As has been stated there are troops who think on both sides of the issue. Or is this annoyance reserved only for those who think differently than you do?

Iraq is a very grey thing - there is no black and white answer

[PyRo]

Iraq has a freely elected government. I have heard stories, and seen the pictures from the day of the election -- 80% turn out!!! Take that and compare it to our USA 3-5% turnout for elections. I say we have no stone to throw in this argument.

Come on, give us more credit than that. It's more like 50%. Still of all democracies in the world we have one of the lowest turnouts.

[PyRo]

First, the reason we went into Iraq, and the dolts who only think we went in because of WMD. Well there was a nice list of over 100 reasons to go in and WMD was somewhere in the middle. First and foremost of the reasons to go in there and kick his arse is, the bloody surrendered in '91, and surrendered unconditionally. Now they had this nice little no fly zone that they were not supposed to shoot at planes flying in these areas, specifically alliance planes. They shot at them on a regular basis. Also there were close to 50 UN resolutions (all of which legal and binding with military force as a consequence) and they violated them all. They also had mandatory UN inspections of thier weapons facilities, 99% of the time these inspectors were harrased, prevented form visiting sites unnannounced (as per their UN mandate), and kicked out of the country altogether. These few reasons alone we had ample justification in going in and removing him from power.

Try to explain to most people how when inspectors are denied access violating UN resolutions and surrender agreements the world had no choice but to assume their was reason behind it, and what could that reason be.
Saddam was playing games, he kicked out the inspectors, then on the brink of invasion decided they could come back. During this period of time if he had these weapons he could have hidden them in such a way they would have never been found. He was testing the worlds patience, he believed he could stall until and invasion was imminent then change his mind. And you know what, a month later he probably would have tried to pull the same thing again had the invasion been called off.
Does anyone remember how under Clinton around Christmas every year he would kick the inspectors out, we would send a few bombs his way, everyone in Iraq would get good and pissed off at America, and then he'd let the inspectors back after a week or so. It was a game to the man. When he refused to let inspectors in he may as well have written WMDs here on his forehead, their was no choice but to assume the worst. Didn't the same passivest attitude bring about a second great war once before? It's called learning from our mistakes and not allowing history to repeat itself.
As you already mentioned they were shooting at American planes.
While inspectors were there they were frequently denied access to certain places. They were not allowed in Saddams palaces. They would show up at a factory and be told they could search the place as long as they don't go behind that door.
They were selling oil for profit through the French. I still don't know why the French weren't sanctioned for this.
Not to mention he was a brutal and ruthless dictator who would do whatever was necessary to ensure he remained in power. If anyone thinks the average daily civilian casualty is high now look at it under Saddam. I bet it's just about the same, and now it will actually go down once Iraq is stable.

[FactsOfLife]

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[Triangle]

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[Phaelynar]

Re-post this WITHOUT all the cussing and circumventing of the filters. Maturity was called for on this highly political thread, and ignorant rantings like yours will force me close it down. Army

[FactsOfLife]

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yet another Glittering Monument to Colossal Ignorance heard from.

[Lohman446]

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Did it ever occur to you that Saddam may not have been the real target? Saddam, it could be argued, was at least marginally sane. Any report you have ever heard about Udai (?) his eldest son indicate that he probably was not. Learn language, your post looks like an idiotic rant because you can't manage to not curse in it.

[FactsOfLife]

Did it ever occur to you that Saddam may not have been the real target? Saddam, it could be argued, was at least marginally sane. Any report you have ever heard about Udai (?) his eldest son indicate that he probably was not. Learn language, your post looks like an idiotic rant because you can't manage to not curse in it.

No, it looks like an idiotic rant because it looks like something Osama would say....

[bleachit]

yet another Glittering Monument to Colossal Ignorance heard from.

I stopped reading after the US was blamed for botching an execution of Saddam that was carried out by Iraqis...

[SCpoloRicker]

Sorry, couldn't find the 101st Keyboard Brigade patch.

/flame on