Va Tech shootings

[SR_matt]

ya i just saw on the news about the guns being bought, and there was nothing to stick out about the shooter when he bought it.

but still either side of the argument of stricter or more lax gun laws have very large holes in them.
-matt

[MoeMag]

ya i just saw on the news about the guns being bought, and there was nothing to stick out about the shooter when he bought it.

but still either side of the argument of stricter or more lax gun laws have very large holes in them.
-matt

Agreed.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

[geekwarrior]

Agreed.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

guns kill people like spoons made rosie odonnell fat.

[MoeMag]

guns kill people like spoons made rosie odonnell fat.

Nice

[Ole Unka Phil]

Here is his play he wrote....

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html

And it now appears many of his classmates are not supprised....

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

[slade]

i have a friend who's friend was killed there

[AirAssault]

is the screening for getting a permit to carry the same one that allowed this guy to buy the gun? sorry, don't trust the bureaucracies to screen out the idiots. more idiots carrying when they go off the deep end or have a bad day = more killing.

No. In the state of Colorado a back ground check is performed by the county Sheriff's Dept. and then the CBI. To obtain a fire arm you are simply checked for felonies and criminal history.

[Lohman446]

stricter maybe, but doubt they have time to really look, and even crazys can look good on paper.

they found the receipt in his bag no? and have him on surveillance buying the gun? unless the shop sold them to him illegally. if so, that guy is in big trouble.

Are we discussing to buy or carry? The screening to carry is state by state and pretty thorough in most.

[Ole Unka Phil]

A concealed weapons permit is normaly more extensive. Finger prints are submitted and your State Law Enforcement will do a background check with normaly FBI plus an NCIS run.

A purchase involve just a check to see if you are in the NCIS data base and a questionare. In this case he lied and said he had no pshycological problems. The seller says he appeared perfectly normal as well.

Nut cases like this one will slip through almost anything. They represent a very small subset of society. And they will get what they need to do what they want by whatever means it takes.

Someone intent on evil will not be screened out by any legislative process or method. You can legislate it all to eternity but they will just lie, cheat or steal to get what they want.

They are in the so small subset of humans that they get missed. It appears now that all those close around him did know something was not right... for years.

[Lohman446]

A concealed weapons permit is normaly more extensive. Finger prints are submitted and your State Law Enforcement will do a background check with normaly FBI plus an NCIS run.

A purchase involve just a check to see if you are in the NCIS data base and a questionare. In this case he lied and said he had no pshycological problems. The seller says he appeared perfectly normal as well.

Nut cases like this one will slip through almost anything. They represent a very small subset of society. And they will get what they need to do what they want by whatever means it takes.

Someone intent on evil will not be screened out by any legislative process or method. You can legislate it all to eternity but they will just lie, cheat or steal to get what they want.

They are in the so small subset of humans that they get missed. It appears now that all those close around him did know something was not right... for years.

Aren't there a lot of people around you, that after something like this happened you would be able to say everyone knew they "were not right"? To say something was wrong after the fact is kind of stating the obvious isn't it?

[MaD_SaM]

Just saw that Ole Unka Phil also posted this:

Virginia Killer's Violent Writings


This is his other play:
Mr.Brownstone

[ntn4502]

Masses of college kids carrying guns, ummm yea, that could very well be the most ridiculous proposal I have heard in quite some time

[bornl33t]

Masses of college kids carrying guns, ummm yea, that could very well be the most ridiculous proposal I have heard in quite some time

right after the proposal to ban guns because 32 people got killed with one. That's like banning cars because someone used one to run over their spouse. But thankfully the proposal isn't to arm anyone, but instead to give them the right to arm themselves if they so chose. Masses is not equal to the 10 responsible students that will want a plan B in case they are trapped in a classroom with a shooter.

I some what agree with you though....collage kids have a tenancy to be irrational, uninformed, irresponsible, dunk, exaggerating, political extremist that have no sense of respect, right and wrong or ability to think independently of what mind food they are fed.

[SCpoloRicker]

I some what agree with you though....collage kids have a tenancy to be irrational, uninformed, irresponsible, dunk, exaggerating, political extremist that have no sense of respect, right and wrong or ability to think independently of what mind food they are fed.

This is why I won't allow them on my lawn.

/I love the gloss over of his legal purchase of the weapons

[Ole Unka Phil]

This is why I won't allow them on my lawn.

/I love the gloss over of his legal purchase of the weapons

What is your point? No one glossed over it at all. I addressed obtaining like in the first couple of posts of the thread. Matters not really how someone gets something... its what they do with it.

Fact is... now that you ask. I never thought background checks were or are all that great. All they really do is identify people who HAVE broken the law and only those that won't lie or use false identifications or something to do so.

Fact is that it is the Gun Control advocates that proposed it, lobbied it and got it passed. They felt it would do something. It is not called the Brady Bill for nothing.

Fact is everyone told them it probably would not do what they thought it would because, even now, people who are unstable cannot be identified sometimes until its too late. Like this guy. Everyone says it now... but hey... its easy now aint it.

Fact is the kid stayed under the radar and his only one time he snapped it was a doozey.

No... background checks don't work all the time. But go tell the Brady Campaign that. They thought it would.

And still many states have waiting periods in place. They would not have worked here either. He planned this a long time. First gun was purchased over a month ago. Probably he has had guns before, who knows? These might just be the recent ones. But... they tried those too. Again... with people like this, who plan for years, nothing works.

Fortunately, this sort of thing is in the low less than 1% kind of thing. Horrific as it is...

Perhaps when modern medicine developes a test for Crazy we can administer it. Until then do you want to be the only ones WITHOUT a gun? Fine with me. Your choice. But your not taking my choice from me.