Va Tech shootings

[kosmo]

There's a difference between willingly putting yourself in a position to see death (you) and having that thrust upon you in a defensless setting (classroom)

You talk a big game, but if the muzzle is against your head, and you have no way out...well...just hope you don't find yourself there.

You assume a lot of things about me with those statements, all of which are wrong.

[Army]

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but......

Kosmo is right, praying for a magical blankie to help you is not praying, it's giving up. If the lad prayed to God for help or protection, that makes the difference. That kid wanted a "made for TV" ending to the killings.

If the situation says lay down and die....or stand and fight for your very life, then I choose life. Nobody will have a magic blankie to save me...or you.

Yes, put the muzzle to my head, and I will still fight to live. A nice, quiet Jewish professor knew the difference, and chose to fight.

[warbeak2099]

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but......

Kosmo is right, praying for a magical blankie to help you is not praying, it's giving up. If the lad prayed to God for help or protection, that makes the difference. That kid wanted a "made for TV" ending to the killings.

If the situation says lay down and die....or stand and fight for your very life, then I choose life. Nobody will have a magic blankie to save me...or you.

Yes, put the muzzle to my head, and I will still fight to live. A nice, quiet Jewish professor knew the difference, and chose to fight.

QFT

[geekwarrior]

QFT

thought you didn't believe in a god?

[Ole Unka Phil]

The problem in the "what ifs" involves logic. Obviously the person who walks into a room and randomly starts shooting people is not logical. Trying to explain or consider based on logic is an incredibly difficult task.

I just wondered how bewlldered he might have been. Since his goal seemed to be body count. I don't think you can classify his actions as randomly illogical. They appear to be quite methodical and with a goal in mind. Crazy is not always out of control. It just struck me as to how he would react. He would definately hesitate for a few moments. Not knowing what victim to pick out next. It appears from all accounts he was looking for "movers" so as to get the most body count he could. He apparently did not take time to investigate individuals for life. He went on to the next moving target. As evidenced by some that survived by playing dead.

I would still rather have a gun... eliminate threat...

[Lohman446]

While I agree with the stand and fight attitude I disagree with the idea that to not fight is to die. Many people chose to not fight and lived.

[Ole Unka Phil]

While I agree with the stand and fight attitude I disagree with the idea that to not fight is to die. Many people chose to not fight and lived.

I am not so sure they chose. They just did what they had to do in a moments notice. They just saw an out and took it. They just reacted. Not much time to think. I betcha over half of them would have fought had they has something near equal to have fought with.

[Lohman446]

I am not so sure they chose. They just did what they had to do in a moments notice. They just saw an out and took it. They just reacted. Not much time to think. I betcha over half of them would have fought had they has something near equal to have fought with.

Maybe. Regardless, armed or not, Im probably resisting.

[kosmo]

First instance he had his back turned to me, hed have a frackin pencil broken off in his neck. Thats something any untrained individual with a pencil can do.

[Lohman446]

First instance he had his back turned to me, hed have a frackin pencil broken off in his neck. Thats something any untrained individual with a pencil can do.

Agreed, the first rule of unarmed combat is to arm yourself. There are very few times in life that you will have no effective weapon available.

[beam]

You assume a lot of things about me with those statements, all of which are wrong.

Can you tell me all the things I assumed about you? And then the truth about said things would also be nice. I don't want to assume anything about you.

[beam]

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but......

Kosmo is right, praying for a magical blankie to help you is not praying, it's giving up. If the lad prayed to God for help or protection, that makes the difference. That kid wanted a "made for TV" ending to the killings.

If the situation says lay down and die....or stand and fight for your very life, then I choose life. Nobody will have a magic blankie to save me...or you.

Yes, put the muzzle to my head, and I will still fight to live. A nice, quiet Jewish professor knew the difference, and chose to fight.

When Christians were first fed to lions in the arenas of Rome, do you think they fought back against them or committed their souls to the Lord in prayer and accepted the fate He handed them? How is praying, giving up?

So, you think this kid was just a publicity whore? Just wanted a "made for tv" ending so he could show off when all was said and done?

Yes, you choose to stand and fight. Comes natural to you. Your a seasoned vetern who has training in the finer aspects of killing people and blowing things up. You've probably seen death. But make sure you condemn the inaction of the baby faced VT student who, unlike you, doesn't think tactically.

The Jewish professor, Liviu Librescu, did a very heroic thing. Let's make sure we all condemn those who survived by means of cowardace and talk about what we "would have" done.

[kosmo]

Can you tell me all the things I assumed about you? And then the truth about said things would also be nice. I don't want to assume anything about you.

You assumed Im here willingly, that the death and violence I have seen is as a result of being in the army, and that I am talking "big" even though Ive never had a gun in my face. Thats about as much as I can get into here without activating the cuss filter.

[Army]

.... without activating the cuss filter.

[Army]

When Christians were first fed to lions in the arenas of Rome, do you think they fought back against them or committed their souls to the Lord in prayer and accepted the fate He handed them? How is praying, giving up?Apparently, you do not read very well. He did not pray as a Christian, he prayed for a "magic" blanket to fall around him. If you actually read my post, you would see where I illuminated the difference.

So, you think this kid was just a publicity whore? Just wanted a "made for tv" ending so he could show off when all was said and done?You want to make my words into something they are not. Do not try to think for me.

Yes, you choose to stand and fight. Comes natural to you. Your a seasoned vetern who has training in the finer aspects of killing people and blowing things up. You've probably seen death. But make sure you condemn the inaction of the baby faced VT student who, unlike you, doesn't think tactically.

The Jewish professor, Liviu Librescu, did a very heroic thing. Let's make sure we all condemn those who survived by means of cowardace and talk about what we "would have" done.Nothing came natural to me, or Kosmo for that matter. I was raised to be kind to others, and to help anyone in time of need. Far too many people do not get that from their families or peers. When that happens, they tend to only think of themselves. Yes, the Army showed me many ways to kill people, which anyone is able to learn on their own. Please notice I did not "condemn" (your words, not mine) the kids inaction, nor did I call anyone a coward (your words again). I did say he gave up, relying on the actions of others to do for him...that and a magic blankie. I said "made for TV" ending, because when the fictional movie character "believes it enough" it comes true----the end, roll credits.

I do not think emotionally, never have. My mind usually has a much better solution than my heart does....unless I'm giving roses to my wife.

Reports are coming out, that a more than a few students had CCW's, but were not allowed by the college to carry on campus.