Terrorist in Jersey!! and they used paintball

[Aggravated Assault]

Ummm okay. i can tell you think the moon landing was on a movie stage too. :rofl: your a neard and i can tell you have never driven on this bridge nor have been in the SF Oakland bay area. Homeless people had Hippies camp out thair all the time. this part of Oakland is next to the shipping docks and is not a verry good neighborhood so i am thinking that the hippies are to scard to camp out. the so called cuts is where they put the bridge section together. Your a neard. So strat looking for some new pics, O wait here is a thought...try looking up the local news story. Naaaa that makes too much sence. Here I'll do it for you and its even for the San Francisco Chroical, one of the most liberal paper out there http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...AGVOPHQU46.DTL My bad you are from SF LOL you must take BART every where

To be honest, I agree with you. I don't believe it was a conspiracy, but you're doing yourself and all of us non-conspiracy believers a huge disfavor. Your apparent lack of grammar and your misspelling are making us all look bad and taking away from our credability.

Thats not the only thing making you guys look bad.


You just can't script this stuff....

[Ninjeff]

I really wish people would stop railing on the "left" or "liberals" or whatever. Seriously. There is a MAJOR difference between most "leftists/liberals" and people that spout conspiracy theories. Most of us here on the elft fully beleive that EVERYONE is at fault. It goes back back back alot further than Bush, and Clinton, and Bush Sr, and possibly even Reagan. Its not the left, or the right 100%.
the Iraq war is a bad situation. Period. One could use the argument "we shouldnt be there" but that is null and void. We ARE there. So what next? Well, thats the hot topic of the day as it were, and no body who has any type of brain in their head would pretend to know all the answers. Thats what SHOULD be happening on capitol hill, a discussion as to what the next step is. Instead, we get no discussion, just arguments and mud slinging on BOTH sides. All the while our troops are in harms way and in "limbo" until we get some civil educated discussion and an appropriate action plan for Iraq. Unfourtunately the world at war has no "pause" button to give us a breather. I wish the right would stop and listen to someone else for a second and i wish the left would quit being a whiny little kid who blames everything on everybody.

The worst thing to ever happen to this country is "talking points."

[WalkingTarget]

OK.

Someone here explain to me how Bush was justified in invading Iraq after the UN had said no and there had been no concrete evidence that there were any "WMDs"

this is a serious question, how was it right?

[SCpoloRicker]

Saddam was continuing to violate the cease-fire agreement stemming from the end of the first Gulf War. Saddam was also fairly notorious for, ahem, limiting opposition to his rule. Saddam had chemical weapons, and had used them before. Saddam had started mutiple conflicts with neighbooring states.

/didn't support the invasion
//doesn't mean there was no argument for it

[bornl33t]

OK.

Someone here explain to me how Bush was justified in invading Iraq after the UN had said no and there had been no concrete evidence that there were any "WMDs"

this is a serious question, how was it right?

First of all, loose the UN. They are corrupt to the bone and really have no say what so ever. Also look up "feel good politics".

Second of all, there were reports by MANY secret services that Iraq had WMD's, NOT just the US or Britain, Germany and France made independent claims that Iraq had WMD's. Why didn't we find any? Ask Syria, the CIA has released satellite photos of large military convoys driving into Syria the weeks before we invaded a second time.

And to help you out, WMD's where not the only reason we went in. So you can drop that point right now. Instead lets talk about genocide, aiding and abetting terrorist and funding international terrorism.


But here's food for thought, IF Bush is such a evil person and is deceiving America, and America is so set on those stupid WMD's, why didn't Bush plant WMD's for our military to find?

And just do you don't think I'm blowing smoke:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-115519-3700r.htm

http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd.html

and you can google for information on the UN.

[The Hellforger]

well the worst part of this whole war in Iraq is back on the home front. Of course troops are over in Iraq dieing (sp?) but everyone has to die sometime and when they took their oaths to join the military they knew the risks they were taking. I joined the Marines and I ship to bootcamp in 2 weeks, I may possibly see Iraq so don't try to bash me for my previous sentance. It's the moms back home that are killing the war, They say "I support our troops" and then they turn around and say "bring our boys home". If they really supported our troops then they would be with the troops no matter what, sending them supplies they need but the military doesn't provide. Then the Democrats sieze upon the womens wishes and use it to try and stop the war. This in turn drags down our economy because they have cut funding for the war. Look at the Great Depression and WWII, it dragged us out of a depression. we are headed toward a depression as anyone with a brain can see that. We need this war to fire up harder to bring us out.

[SCpoloRicker]

Look at the Great Depression and WWII, it dragged us out of a depression. we are headed toward a depression as anyone with a brain can see that. We need this war to fire up harder to bring us out.

Wow. You win one internet.

[WalkingTarget]

Look at the Great Depression and WWII, it dragged us out of a depression. we are headed toward a depression as anyone with a brain can see that. We need this war to fire up harder to bring us out.

First off, i would like to thank you for joining the USMC. That takes both balls, honor and a certain ammount of insanity

Keep your head down!



But you hit the nail on the head there with the why of the Iraq war. Yes, saddam needed to be taken out, yes they may have funded terrorism, however so did Iran and Syria.

The reason that the US went to war in iraq is because you *need* the war to stave off an economic depression; Iraq presents a war that while in a state of attrition, is not liable to create a serious attack on US soil, whereas Iran would be willing to launch everything they have at US soil.

[FactsOfLife]

First off, i would like to thank you for joining the USMC. That takes both balls, honor and a certain ammount of insanity

Keep your head down!



But you hit the nail on the head there with the why of the Iraq war. Yes, saddam needed to be taken out, yes they may have funded terrorism, however so did Iran and Syria.

The reason that the US went to war in iraq is because you *need* the war to stave off an economic depression; Iraq presents a war that while in a state of attrition, is not liable to create a serious attack on US soil, whereas Iran would be willing to launch everything they have at US soil.

/shaking head in wonderment...

[Aggravated Assault]

...there were reports by MANY secret services that Iraq had WMD's, NOT just the US or Britain, Germany and France made independent claims that Iraq had WMD's. Why didn't we find any? Ask Syria, the CIA has released satellite photos of large military convoys driving into Syria the weeks before we invaded a second time.

And to help you out, WMD's where not the only reason we went in. So you can drop that point right now. Instead lets talk about genocide, aiding and abetting terrorist and funding international terrorism.

right wing talking points

...and you can google for information...

QFT

[Lohman446]

OK.

Someone here explain to me how Bush was justified in invading Iraq after the UN had said no and there had been no concrete evidence that there were any "WMDs"

this is a serious question, how was it right?

The justification is simple, repeated and continuing violation of the cease fire agreement. As Ricker pointed out just because one does not agree with something does not mean everything the other side did is so obviously wrong. Your one sidedness, after telling us how unbiased you were, is astounding.

[Aggravated Assault]

You know, I kind of looked at his posts not from the angle of "I'm unbiased", but more like: "The sources I get my information from are unbiased"

(Ya, he was pretty condecending...but, we're working on that. )

Already, with some meaningful dialouge, I see a softening of his demeanor. I can sense he wants to break free of one sideness! (J/k) (really )

OK.

Someone here explain to me how Bush was justified in invading Iraq after the UN had said no and there had been no concrete evidence that there were any "WMDs"

this is a serious question, how was it right?

This is a good (and loaded) question.

In my (sometimes not so) humble opinion, there were many fair arguments for staying out and many for going in. But, methinks, when it comes down to it, how does lowly ol' me, sitting in BFE central Illinois, just outside a 26acre beanfield, know the whole picture. I mean the WHOLE picture. Not just what the spin doctors puke out to us every night on tv, some kook website or "alternative" media.

Food for thought: What do you (and me) really, and I mean really, know? What is Fact...real hard Fact? What is opinion? Is it a point of view or someone's agenda? Who's flipping the bill to put that information in front of you? What do they stand to gain? What does the guys in charge know that 99.99% of the rest of us do not know? How would that affect your decision making, if you were the "decider"?

Bottome line is: I'm not sure how justified the United States was in invading Iraq.

Because the one fact I do know is: I know I don't know the whole picture.

[maxama10]

I really wish people would stop railing on the "left" or "liberals" or whatever. Seriously. There is a MAJOR difference between most "leftists/liberals" and people that spout conspiracy theories. Most of us here on the elft fully beleive that EVERYONE is at fault. It goes back back back alot further than Bush, and Clinton, and Bush Sr, and possibly even Reagan. Its not the left, or the right 100%.
the Iraq war is a bad situation. Period. One could use the argument "we shouldnt be there" but that is null and void. We ARE there. So what next? Well, thats the hot topic of the day as it were, and no body who has any type of brain in their head would pretend to know all the answers. Thats what SHOULD be happening on capitol hill, a discussion as to what the next step is. Instead, we get no discussion, just arguments and mud slinging on BOTH sides. All the while our troops are in harms way and in "limbo" until we get some civil educated discussion and an appropriate action plan for Iraq. Unfourtunately the world at war has no "pause" button to give us a breather. I wish the right would stop and listen to someone else for a second and i wish the left would quit being a whiny little kid who blames everything on everybody.

The worst thing to ever happen to this country is "talking points."

QFT

[bentothejam1n]

Bottome line is: I'm not sure how justified the United States was in invading Iraq.

Because the one fact I do know is: I know I don't know the whole picture.

QFT

[Ninjeff]

i am forever facinated by those who claim supporting the troops means supporting the war.

Listen, its like supporting your favorite football team. You can love the team, and love the players. Buy all the gear and wear team colored underroos. But as soon as the coach makes a bad call that could cost your team the game you find yourself standing on the couch yelling at your tv screen.

I think our coach, Pres. Bush and his "assistant coaches" really made a poor choice on this game plan. And indeed it could cost us the game... but that doesnt mean i dont still root for the home team. I just think we need a serious change of ownership.