** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Demp1404]

The rail bushing slides into the rail where the field strip screw tightens down the valve. It is located in the rail directly behind the back of the sear.

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=403&categoryID=95

An AGD level 7 bolt looks almost identical the ANS one you have except for the holes in the front.

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Is the level 7 bolt have the same foamies as the level 10 bolt? I believe it is that triangle shape foamie right? My cousin has a level 7 I believe, it has the same foamie as the level 10(if that's the level 7) It doesnt show the front of the bolt. My cousin can use the cheapest of paint out there without breaking. Im having so many problems with this bolt so I think I'm going to sell it and get that level 7 from AGD. They are practically the same thing, just the level 7 isnt as complicated. Thanks Hey does AGD still sell the Original Superbolt? That's the one with the huge foamie and the black lining.

[athomas]

Is the level 7 bolt have the same foamies as the level 10 bolt? I believe it is that triangle shape foamie right? My cousin has a level 7 I believe, it has the same foamie as the level 10(if that's the level 7) It doesnt show the front of the bolt. My cousin can use the cheapest of paint out there without breaking. Im having so many problems with this bolt so I think I'm going to sell it and get that level 7 from AGD. They are practically the same thing, just the level 7 isnt as complicated. Thanks

Level 7 bolts come in two forms, (1)foamy type and (2)hard nose. If you do decide to go with a level 7 bolt, you will need a powertube spacer kit or you will run into the same problems with the level 7 bolt.

The level 7 and level 10 are far from the same. None of the bolts will chop paint if the gun feeds fast enough to prevent the bolt from hitting a ball before it is fully in the breach. However, if this does happen because of odd firing angles or a hopper that doesn't keep up, then any level 7 bolt will chop the paintball in half. The foamy will not prevent a chop. The design of the level 10 prevents this chop due to the reduced force applied to the bolt stem at the start of the cycle.

If you are having leak problems that can't be stopped and the problem is due to the sear assembly, then you will also have problems with a level 7 bolt as well.

Go back to basics with your level 10 bolt. Start with a new carrier oring to rule out a bad one. Test fit the carrier and oring on the bolt stem before you put it in the powertube. It should be snug but not stiff on the bolt stem. Don't use any shims in the powertube. Assembe the mag and try it. If it leaks, put your finger into the front of the breach and push back against the front of the bolt. Listen for a change in sound. Wiggle the front of the bolt back and forth. Listen for a change in sound. A change in sound when you push it back would indicate a shim problem but since you won't be using any, it would also represent a worn sear tip problem. If the sound changes when you wiggle the front of the bolt, then the carrier is too loose and you need a tighter one. There really isn't much to go wrong with the level 10 bolt.

[Demp1404]

Level 7 bolts come in two forms, (1)foamy type and (2)hard nose. If you do decide to go with a level 7 bolt, you will need a powertube spacer kit or you will run into the same problems with the level 7 bolt.

The level 7 and level 10 are far from the same. None of the bolts will chop paint if the gun feeds fast enough to prevent the bolt from hitting a ball before it is fully in the breach. However, if this does happen because of odd firing angles or a hopper that doesn't keep up, then any level 7 bolt will chop the paintball in half. The foamy will not prevent a chop. The design of the level 10 prevents this chop due to the reduced force applied to the bolt stem at the start of the cycle.

If you are having leak problems that can't be stopped and the problem is due to the sear assembly, then you will also have problems with a level 7 bolt as well.

Go back to basics with your level 10 bolt. Start with a new carrier oring to rule out a bad one. Test fit the carrier and oring on the bolt stem before you put it in the powertube. It should be snug but not stiff on the bolt stem. Don't use any shims in the powertube. Assembe the mag and try it. If it leaks, put your finger into the front of the breach and push back against the front of the bolt. Listen for a change in sound. Wiggle the front of the bolt back and forth. Listen for a change in sound. A change in sound when you push it back would indicate a shim problem but since you won't be using any, it would also represent a worn sear tip problem. If the sound changes when you wiggle the front of the bolt, then the carrier is too loose and you need a tighter one. There really isn't much to go wrong with the level 10 bolt.

Hey thanks, I have tried what you have said but it still doesn't work. I looked at the sear and it apeared to be almost brand new. I put the two line carrier in and it leaked for a little bit then stopped. I have an on/off drop and I put the tank on, and turn it on. I could hear the gun air up. I pulled the trigger and nothing happens. I tried the 1 line 1 dot and the same thing happened, only this time when I pulled the trigger it started leaking more and more with each trigger pull. Then when I pushed on the bolt it stopped leaking. Pull the trigger again and it started leaking. It was doing this with 1 line, and the 1 line with one dot carriers. I tried the 2 line 1 dot but it was barely leaking with a trigger pull. I cant figure this thing out and I might just sell the whole damn gun.

[slackerwil]

Leak in power tube

I get a small leak down the barrel when i fire then hold my trigger down. Not really a big issue to me but wondering if it affects performance of my marker and how to correct this.

[vin]

Stuck Bolt

When I fire a long string I eventually get a spissss sound and a stuck bolt. I push the bolt back and fire another string and I get the same thing. The bolt for the ULE body is not over tighten. It may even be on the lose side. I have tried different carries. My stack is white washer, carrier, and three shims. Oil seems to give me more time between failures.

It is an syderMag and I was thinking of going back to an older bolt, maybe lvl 7, to avoid this problem and to save air. I have break beam eyes installed.

Any ideas?
Thanks,
Vin

[athomas]

When I fire a long string I eventually get a spissss sound and a stuck bolt. I push the bolt back and fire another string and I get the same thing. The bolt for the ULE body is not over tighten. It may even be on the lose side. I have tried different carries. My stack is white washer, carrier, and three shims. Oil seems to give me more time between failures.

It is an syderMag and I was thinking of going back to an older bolt, maybe lvl 7, to avoid this problem and to save air. I have break beam eyes installed.

Any ideas?
Thanks,
Vin

Remove the shims. Use a size larger carrier (the largest one that doen't leak without any shims installed). Make sure the body is properly tightened by not to the point of distorting the body.

[athomas]

I get a small leak down the barrel when i fire then hold my trigger down. Not really a big issue to me but wondering if it affects performance of my marker and how to correct this.

You may get a tiny hiss. This is common on most level 10 bolts with a near empty chamber. It won't affect the performance.

[Rift]

thats the power tube o-ring breaking in if it starts leaking anymore go down one carrier size

[vin]

Thanks!

I'll try that stuff and post the results.
Thanks,
Vin

[vin]

ok...

Well
I got so it doesn't stick but it leaks a little down the barrel every now and then.
Are there different springs for the lvl 10 and could a different spring help me?
Thanks for all the help,
Vin
ps. I'm going to buy a lvl 7 bolt and see how that does.

[athomas]

Well
I got so it doesn't stick but it leaks a little down the barrel every now and then.
Are there different springs for the lvl 10 and could a different spring help me?
Thanks for all the help,
Vin
ps. I'm going to buy a lvl 7 bolt and see how that does.

It is possible that your carrier oring is defective or has a slight blemish, which is requiring a tighter grip on the bolt stem to stop the leaking. If the next tighter carrier causes sticking, then you may need to use a new carrier oring and retune.

Bolt springs don't affect the leaking. The bolt springs only affect how much impact force the bolt hits the ball with.

[vin]

Thanks

Thanks,
I'll get some o-rings

[RavishingEddie]

I had a chop

Ok I just had the lvl 10 installed into my emag and after a minor leak issue I got it to work with no leaking. The problem I guess was that yesterday I decided to go full auto with it and a couple balls chopped. From what I read and heard, I know the level 10 is not supposed to chop a ball. Please let me know what I should look for when I open her up tommorrow. And what I should see that might need replacing. Also is there a way to take the lvl 10 apart. I was looking at it yesterday and I am thing of pushing it all through with my finger. Thanks

Eddie

[athomas]

Ok I just had the lvl 10 installed into my emag and after a minor leak issue I got it to work with no leaking. The problem I guess was that yesterday I decided to go full auto with it and a couple balls chopped. From what I read and heard, I know the level 10 is not supposed to chop a ball. Please let me know what I should look for when I open her up tommorrow. And what I should see that might need replacing. Also is there a way to take the lvl 10 apart. I was looking at it yesterday and I am thing of pushing it all through with my finger. Thanks

Eddie

List your gun setup, including the velocity you were shooting and the bore size of your barrel.

Are you chopping balls or breaking balls as they go into the barrel? Do a squeegie test by holding a squeegie against the front of the bolt while you pull the trigger. You will get an idea of the force that the level 10 is putting on the ball. It will help you figure out if the bolt is set correctly.

[vin]

no chop but...

I played the spydermag yesterday and I didn't chop but I still got a stuck bolt twice, when firing fast. I spent the rest of the day purposely firing slow and got no more sticking, but I'm definitely going to switch to the lvl7 bolt. Hope you figure out the chopping thing,
Vin