** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

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  • athomas
    Of course it works-its AGD
    • Jan 2002
    • 8039

    #1846
    Originally posted by indecisive
    After I gas up my 'mag and leave it for a while I have to pull the trigger a couple time before it will fire.
    Normal? I hope not.
    Also one of my P.E. tanks doesn't reset the trigger properly when it's hooked up to the gun.
    You are experiencing bolt stick. You need to use the next larger carrier size. Always use the same small white oring when changing carriers. Remove the level 10 shims when testing carrier size. You don't want to induce a shim leak which may seem like a carrier leak.
    Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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    • CAT/J
      Just Crazy
      • Oct 2006
      • 88

      #1847
      Level 10 bolt foamie

      The center tip of my bolt blew out mid game I guess... Are they replaceable like the old ANS foamie bolts? or am I buying a new complete Level 10 kit?

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      • athomas
        Of course it works-its AGD
        • Jan 2002
        • 8039

        #1848
        Originally posted by CAT/J
        The center tip of my bolt blew out mid game I guess... Are they replaceable like the old ANS foamie bolts? or am I buying a new complete Level 10 kit?
        They are replaceable and use the same foamy as the old level 7 bolts. If you don't get it replaced right away, don't worry. The bolt will function fine without it.
        Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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        • CAT/J
          Just Crazy
          • Oct 2006
          • 88

          #1849
          athomas

          Thanks a bunch...now I gotta find some foamies...And to be honest, with the foamie gone, it was allowing the balls to roll back(into the bolt face somewhat), causing constant feeding issues.

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          • athomas
            Of course it works-its AGD
            • Jan 2002
            • 8039

            #1850
            Originally posted by CAT/J
            Thanks a bunch...now I gotta find some foamies...And to be honest, with the foamie gone, it was allowing the balls to roll back(into the bolt face somewhat), causing constant feeding issues.
            That roll back is the same as every other bolt on the market that has the center drilled out. If you are having feed issues, it could be a problem elsewhere. If the balls roll back, it just means the next ball sits a bit lower into the breach. The bolt tip will make slight contact, but the starting velocity and impact force of the level 10 bolt won't hurt it. If you are getting "chuffs", then it is probably a level ten setup issue.
            Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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            • CAT/J
              Just Crazy
              • Oct 2006
              • 88

              #1851
              ...ya I'm also considering

              a loader malfunction. My Halo seemed to be giving an awful lot of 'jamming' warnings via the LED that was lit like a christmas tree. I'm attributing it to the loss of the foamie mostly, however...I was having to push the balls with my finger thru the power feed port.

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              • athomas
                Of course it works-its AGD
                • Jan 2002
                • 8039

                #1852
                Originally posted by CAT/J
                a loader malfunction. My Halo seemed to be giving an awful lot of 'jamming' warnings via the LED that was lit like a christmas tree. I'm attributing it to the loss of the foamie mostly, however...I was having to push the balls with my finger thru the power feed port.
                No, the loss of foamy won't cause that problem. The balls still feed properly without the foamy. Since you have a level 7 powerfeed body, it is possible that you have one of the early non-parabolic feed plugs. Some of those caused feed issues. A Halo may put too much pressure on the flat "nonparabolic" section of the plug causing the balls to jam in the corner. Airgun Designs replaced all those plugs years ago but there are quite few older guns out there with that older style plug, mine included, although I had never used a halo on that body so I never had any issues.
                Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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                • tarthal
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 47

                  #1853
                  So Last week i was having issues with a lvl 7 bolt chuffing at high rates of fire in Elec mode. It stoped after puting about a case of paint thru it. Was waiting for everything to be in perfect working order before I put in the lvl 10 bolt on the Emag. I replaced every O-ring and replaced the ON/off and the Regulator Valve Pin Assembly. So thats a little history on what I have done trying to fix that issue. But now its working great.

                  So I installed the lvl 10 according to the detailed instructions on this website. In mech mode it fires fine. No leaking no chuffing. When I put in a something infront of the bolt it fires and resets fine. But in Elec mode at high rates of fires its pretty much chuff almost every shot if not every other shot. O and I turned the velocity all the way up. And it never leaked out the back like it said it would. I tried both of the longer springs and the gun would not cycle. But with my original short spring and the short spring with the lvl 10 bolt it would cycle both with the same issue with chuffing.So any Ideas?
                  Last edited by tarthal; 11-22-2008, 10:23 PM.

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                  • athomas
                    Of course it works-its AGD
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 8039

                    #1854
                    Originally posted by tarthal
                    So Last week i was having issues with a lvl 7 bolt chuffing at high rates of fire in Elec mode. It stoped after puting about a case of paint thru it. Was waiting for everything to be in perfect working order before I put in the lvl 10 bolt on the Emag. I replaced every O-ring and replaced the ON/off and the Regulator Valve Pin Assembly. So thats a little history on what I have done trying to fix that issue. But now its working great.

                    So I installed the lvl 10 according to the detailed instructions on this website. In mech mode it fires fine. No leaking no chuffing. When I put in a something infront of the bolt it fires and resets fine. But in Elec mode at high rates of fires its pretty much chuff almost every shot if not every other shot. O and I turned the velocity all the way up. And it never leaked out the back like it said it would. I tried both of the longer springs and the gun would not cycle. But with my original short spring and the short spring with the lvl 10 bolt it would cycle both with the same issue with chuffing.So any Ideas?
                    You mentioned replacing the on-off. Did you replace the pin? If so, did you install the correct 0.712" pin? The other causes of chuffing at high rates of fire is the bottle regulator's inability to keep up.
                    Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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                    • tarthal
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 47

                      #1855
                      ye replaced the on/off and used the pin that came with it. When I ordered it from Tuna. Also my bottle worked with a lvl 7 bolt.

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                      • athomas
                        Of course it works-its AGD
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 8039

                        #1856
                        Originally posted by tarthal
                        ye replaced the on/off and used the pin that came with it. When I ordered it from Tuna. Also my bottle worked with a lvl 7 bolt.
                        If it was a standard pin, then that's your problem. Use the original one from the emag.
                        Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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                        • tarthal
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 47

                          #1857
                          dont know why cause it worked fine with a lvl 7 bolt. Pin length remained the same between the lvl 10 and lvl 7 bolt. Only differences is the gun gives me issues while the lvl 10 bolt.

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                          • athomas
                            Of course it works-its AGD
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 8039

                            #1858
                            Originally posted by tarthal
                            dont know why cause it worked fine with a lvl 7 bolt. Pin length remained the same between the lvl 10 and lvl 7 bolt. Only differences is the gun gives me issues while the lvl 10 bolt.
                            Your problem could be an accumulation of problems. Make sure the pin is the short emag pin. You may also be getting minor bolt stick. Everything is probably working ok, except it is slowed down. A tiny bit of bolt stick would shorten the amount of time the valve has to recharge. Combine that with a longer on-off pin and you shorten the time even more. Under normal firing conditions it wouldn't be notice, but under rapid bursts the valve would starve for air.

                            Check your pin length. It is probably ok if you ordered an emag pin with your assembly. I'd retune your level 10 setup and try to use the next larger carrier. Remove all shims when testing to make sure you don't get any leaking that is shim related rather than carrier related.
                            Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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                            • ghost flanker
                              mech warrior

                              • Mar 2006
                              • 365

                              #1859
                              Leaking no matter what!

                              I have a classic automag with a level 10 bolt that leaks no matter what I do. Leak stops when trigger is held down. I've changed all o-rings, used plenty of lube, removed all shims, and installed the smallest carrier with little effect. The leak persists, ranging from moderate to floodgate. What the hell is wrong with this thing?

                              The level 10 carriers (all of them) fit very tightly into the power tube and must be pushed down to the bottom with considerable force (even when soaking in lube), as if it's hanging up on the powertube's threading. However, the carrier o-rings show no visible signs of damage when removed, but who knows.

                              Any tips?

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                              • secretweaponevan
                                Only HALF Polish!
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 1132

                                #1860
                                Originally posted by ghost flanker
                                I have a classic automag with a level 10 bolt that leaks no matter what I do. Leak stops when trigger is held down. I've changed all o-rings, used plenty of lube, removed all shims, and installed the smallest carrier with little effect. The leak persists, ranging from moderate to floodgate. What the hell is wrong with this thing?

                                The level 10 carriers (all of them) fit very tightly into the power tube and must be pushed down to the bottom with considerable force (even when soaking in lube), as if it's hanging up on the powertube's threading. However, the carrier o-rings show no visible signs of damage when removed, but who knows.

                                Any tips?
                                A fresh LVL 10 carrier o-ring will leak until broken in.
                                Do this:

                                Remove all LVL 10 shims.
                                Pick 1 carrier o-ring and stick with it.
                                Use oil.
                                Use #2 carrier (2 lines, no dots, or largest one you have).
                                Shoot 1000 shots to break in o-ring.
                                Move broken-in o-ring to largest carrier that doesn't leak.
                                Use red spring for 285 fps. Use longer spring for higher velocity or to be more gentle (fragile paint), shorter spring for lower velocity or to be less gentle (thicker shell).
                                If bolt sticks after encountering a jam, add a shim.

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