Official Level 10 Problems Thread

**cwuchu** · 07-19-2002, 10:32 AM

Here's my issue with the my level 10. I can get the modification to work in my classic RT with only the short spring (it's the same as the stock one). Attempts at using the middle and long ones have failed as the reg piston would just start venting. The carrier I am using is the 1.5 one and the pt piston slides into the pt and inside the pt o-ring just right - not too loose not too tight (the #2 spacer leaked). The problem is the bolt still feels like it's going pretty fast [to chop a ball] with the short spring on it as I have felt it by shooting against my finger. Any helps on how I could get a softer setup?

AGD: You need to replace your regulator piston. It is venting at too low a pressure.

**hitech** · 07-19-2002, 11:48 AM

Have you chronoed the marker? You need to turn up the "velocity" when installing level 10. You very well may be shooting down in the 250s.

**Panzerr** · 07-19-2002, 12:05 PM

problem with solution

I found that after putting two cases of paint through my new Level 10 kit that i developed a very slight leak in the power tube from time to time. I removed the o-ring carrier and installed the next smallest size and the leak stopped. Apparently the o-ring "broke in" and was a tiny bit too loose.

**Cypres0099** · 07-19-2002, 01:53 PM

This isn't really a problem but more of a question.

I noticed that you said to put the cut end of the middle spring on the bolt and put the good end pointing out. Would there be any noticeable difference if you switched it around?

**Minimag2002** · 07-19-2002, 02:24 PM

Help Fast!!!

I put in the smallest carrier and it still leaks. the smallest one is no lines no dots right? Could something else be leaking? nothing was leaking before Level 10.
Please Help Me

AGD: Take out all your shims and try it again.

**Manuel_FZR** · 07-19-2002, 04:08 PM

How long will it take for the both longer springs to weaken (they are another material than the original short one)? When must the spring be renewed?

AGD: They should last years.

Manuel_FZR: Thanks Tom for the answer.

**hitech** · 07-19-2002, 04:49 PM

Re: Help Fast!!!

Originally posted by Minimag2002
I put in the smallest carrier and it still leaks. the smallest one is no lines no dots right? Could something else be leaking? nothing was leaking before Level 10.

Do you have any shims in? If so, that them all out. Put them back one a time, checking for leaks. Make sure everything is oiled. Also, check the condition of the black oring on the outside of the carrier. If you put the carrier in without oil it is possible to damage the oring. Let us know.

**CenterFire** · 07-19-2002, 04:53 PM

Level 10... need help

My friends level 10 came in today, and in the process of putting it together, we realized that the bolt can't fully slide over the power tube tip. When the thicker part of the bolt piston thing gets to the power tube tip, it's too wide to pass through... are we doing something wrong or is there something wrong with the kit?

Any help is appreciated,
CenterFire

EDIT - Sorry thats its in the wrong forum. Mods feel free to scoot it over to Tech. Hoping to get an answer faster in the more crowded forum is all

**Potatoboy** · 07-19-2002, 05:45 PM

Link to my problem post:

Level 10 woes. - Automags.Org Online Forums

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=387573

This is the forum for trouble shooting your Airgun Designs products, including the Automag, RT, E-Mag, and WarpFeed. Also a great place to ask technical questions about non AGD products. An Airsmith's homeroom!

BlackVCG is sending me some parts that hopefully should get me up and running. (Reg Piston Assembly)

**Jacob** · 07-19-2002, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Cypres0099
This isn't really a problem but more of a question.

I noticed that you said to put the cut end of the middle spring on the bolt and put the good end pointing out. Would there be any noticeable difference if you switched it around?

Yes.

I tried doing that when I was first trying to set mine up. At first I thought that I was having trouble putting my valve assy. in, but when I investigated, it turned out that the spring had actually threaded past where it is supposed to stop, and into the breach. This would definitely not help in preventing ball chops. By placing the cut end against the bolt, you give it a good surface to seat against where it won't thread through.

**hitech** · 07-19-2002, 05:55 PM

Re: Level 10... need help

Originally posted by CenterFire
we realized that the bolt can't fully slide over the power tube tip. When the thicker part of the bolt piston thing gets to the power tube tip, it's too wide to pass through...

It doesn't/shouldn't go in that far. Are you using the new power tube tip that came with the level 10 kit? How far does the power piston extend past the end of the bolt (it should only be about a 1/2 inch or so)?

Here is a link to a cut away view of the new bolt (so you can see if yours is the same):

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=362082

**CenterFire** · 07-19-2002, 06:02 PM

When I fully assemble the valve and etc, other than the bolt and spring, everything seems normal. And yes I'm using the new powertube tip. When I try and slide the bolt onto the assembly, it doesnt slide down the power tube. It stops a little less than an inch from where the bumper normally is.

Edit - And after testing, we came to the conclusion that the wider part of the power piston is too wide to fit through the power tube tip...

**hitech** · 07-19-2002, 06:07 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CenterFire
[B]My friends level 10 came in today, and in the process of putting it together, we realized that the bolt can't fully slide over the power tube tip. When the thicker part of the bolt piston thing gets to the power tube tip, it's too wide to pass through... are we doing something wrong or is there something wrong with the kit?

Any help is appreciated,
CenterFire

AGD: This is very strange, see if it will go over the old power tube tip. If it will see if the new pt tip goes into the original bolt.

**hitech** · 07-19-2002, 06:09 PM

I posted you question in the official problems thread. Here is a link to the thread:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=389019#post389019

Official Level 10 Problems Thread