Is increased ROF good or bad for the sport?

[mostpeople]

The 'everyone else is doing it, I should too' position. The same arguments thats been used for cheating...And everyone wonders why this game is declining.

Simple answer...Because this game shouldnt be about technology, it should be about skill.



Of course! If it isnt a challenge, whats the point. This is, and should be, a game based on skill and should always be a challenge, its the only way to get better.

Im not a big fan of 'God-Mode', it removes the challenge, making the endeavor pointless.

1. It is about skill, about movement, about teamwork, about strategy, about ITT. It just isnt so much about triggering anymore. And personally IMHO the other parts are more interesting anyways.

2. Its not a handicap is what I meant, its leveling the firepower playing field so that. Paintball is always a challenge. You make it sound like ramping is god mode, and you are invincible. Which is truly not the case.

[RogueFactor]

We've discussed this at length, and im not sure you've ever understood me on this point.

I understand you on this point, Im not sure if youve understood my position. So I will quote another AO'er...

Honestly I do see a tiny positive side.... tiny. I still feel and really don't see any way that it's not more of a limit of skill than anything else.

Be honest , really be honest , when you watch a game of younger players playing speed/X/air ball and most of the team is shooting 15+ literally with on finger on the trigger ( I see it all the time) , how could that possibly be 'equal' to someone capable of that on a semi ?

If that kid and concievably the rest of his team was shooting 5 instead of 15 would you not agree that no matter how great his others skills , he'd be at a disadvantage ?

Of course there are times when it;s not critical BUT there are plenty of times when it is.

Last point then , I had a kid on a team in the past that could easily , regulary and consistantly walk 12-13 bps while on a pretty fast run , not dead run but hauling. I'm not to shabby at it myself. I've only seen a handfull of people EVER that can do what he could on the move. It's was a huge advantage to have an extra gun in the air raining paint AND taking an offensive bunker. Imagine 2 doing it.

Now imagine , wait.... just look , now anyone can do it in fact now at 15+.

That's my main point.

I said it earlier , Ramp/Auto/PSP is not an 'evolution' of the sport. It just isn't. No one in the world sat down and said,

"Hey , you know what would make the sport more competitve and better for TV and spectator? Automatic firing ! !"

Didn't happen that way.

What happened was "Hey , cheating is way out of control.We can't stop it , we can;t hardly even make a dent no matter what we do. It's a problem that is being CREATED and SUPPORTED by the manufactuers AND the sponsers where we get all our revenue so we can possibly do anything to them so.... now what. If they're going to cheat with ROF , we'll let everyone cheat in the same way and focus our efforts elsewhere."

Actually they 'thought' it'd be easy hear a 15+ cheater amongst the =/- 15er's and they were Soooooo wrong.

People are now getting caught on , occasion , shooting into the 20's.

[RogueFactor]

And another...

The NASCAR example is heavily flawed however. They're trying to make the equiptment equal for all but not restrictive of the drivers ability.

Your example would be more like making the cars all automatic because some of the drivers can't shift as well as others , which only hurts the drivers with better shifting skill.

Or mandating power steering cause some drivers arms aren't as strong as others.

Catering to the lowerest common denominator in a supposed 'competition' is a sad joke played on everyone involved.

I guess the next logical 'Evolution' of the game is to limit the time your allowed to make a bunker off the break so fast feet isn't an advantage....

Then we can add glass panels to all the bunkers so being a fast snap shooter isn't an advantage....

Of course the next step would be no talking on the feild so fast communication isn't an advantage....

I guess the future of paintball is....... Chess.

[RogueFactor]

And another...

The only real place that I see ramping making a noticable difference is in bunkering and run throughs.

It used to be that it took alot of shooting skill to maintain a stream of fire while making a bunker move or a run through. No it seems everyone is 'capable' of it.

Oh the other hand, since I still refuse to ramp against the ramper I typically have an easier time outshooting most others during snap shooting and it's easier to catch people on the reload since they relaod more often now.

So....I'm digging it.

For ther record , my local field regulary has pro and semi pro teams practicing there. I feel pretty good about being able to hang with that crowd. It's quite a different ball game against walk ons.

[RogueFactor]

1. It is about skill, about movement, about teamwork, about strategy, about ITT. It just isnt so much about triggering anymore. And personally IMHO the other parts are more interesting anyways.

If the other parts are more interesting, and you arent interested in triggering....I suggest checking out DodgeBall. It has all the same skills required without the triggering :rofl: Play a shooting sport, you should be prepared to have the skill of 'triggering'.

Joking aside, if you are REALLY interested in those other parts that are more interesting, then play PUMP. Its about movement, teamwork, and strategy---also includes shooting skill, and isnt about triggering.

2. Its not a handicap is what I meant, its leveling the firepower playing field so that. Paintball is always a challenge. You make it sound like ramping is god mode, and you are invincible. Which is truly not the case.

Firepower achieved should be based on skill, and not leveled. Please refer to the previous past 3 posts I made quoting another AO'er.

[mostpeople]

Ramping is still here to stay, and I wont handicap myself.. and I wouldnt reccomend anyone else do that because it leads to complaints.

Reminiscing about the old days is nice... but times have changed. We arent all playing stock class anymore.

I'll keep my ramping, and if you dont take it out there against me you will be handicapped -- End of story. But you can still feel good because you are doing all the work yourself

[mostpeople]

Rogue why dont you start up a mechanical league? I'd play in it and you wouldnt have to play with those dirty electro noobs

[mostpeople]

Btw I also play pump We have a little woods field we all go out to, and I usually borrow a buddy's 2nd phantom.

*edit and dogdgeball is an awesome sport. But it doesnt involve me punishing little tippman noobs with stuff being shot out of my gun.

[RogueFactor]

Ramping is still here to stay, and I wont handicap myself.. and I wouldnt reccomend anyone else do that because it leads to complaints.

Reminiscing about the old days is nice... but times have changed. We arent all playing stock class anymore.

I'll keep my ramping, and if you dont take it out there against me you will be handicapped -- End of story. But you can still feel good because you are doing all the work yourself

1) Dont bet on it. Ramping has only been around legally for 2-3 years at best. And in that timeframe, paintball aint been doing so well. Whether its here to stay or not, is yet to be determined

2) Times havent changed, the rules have. They had full-auto markers long ago. Bouncing markers are nothing new. Its funny you think that ramping is 'new-school' though. :spit_take

Remember, ramping is like T-Ball...its for 6 year olds :rofl:

[RogueFactor]

Rogue why dont you start up a mechanical league? I'd play in it and you wouldnt have to play with those dirty electro noobs

Nothing wrong with electros at all. The ones that shoot semi-auto.

[mostpeople]

1) Dont bet on it. Ramping has only been around legally for 2-3 years at best. And in that timeframe, paintball aint been doing so well. Whether its here to stay or not, is yet to be determined

2) Times havent changed, the rules have. They had full-auto markers long ago. Bouncing markers are nothing new. Its funny you think that ramping is 'new-school' though. :spit_take

Remember, ramping is like T-Ball...its for 6 year olds :rofl:

Teh?

Ramping has been around for a while, and and full auto too yes.. but the fact im trying to convey is that they will not be going away - EVER. Too many people like it, one could argue that this fact is what contributed to the ion's amazing success.

[mostpeople]

1) Dont bet on it. Ramping has only been around legally for 2-3 years at best. And in that timeframe, paintball aint been doing so well. Whether its here to stay or not, is yet to be determined

2) Times havent changed, the rules have. They had full-auto markers long ago. Bouncing markers are nothing new. Its funny you think that ramping is 'new-school' though. :spit_take

Remember, ramping is like T-Ball...its for 6 year olds :rofl:

One could argue that such complaining is also for 6 year olds.. Embrace the power of the dark side.

[Beemer]

I'll keep my ramping, and if you dont take it out there against me you will be handicapped -- End of story. But you can still feel good because you are doing all the work yourself

You can use your ramping, I dont need it. Why would I be handicapped cause I dont use it?

[kruger]

I'm sensing a little tension here...................

[stonersr26]

Or you coiuld be like my brother and hate ramping because it HANDICAPS him!!! I have seen, heard, and chronoed him with a pact at anywhere from 17-23 in straight semi with legal bounce levels. I've seen both sides and agree with some points of both arguments about ramping, but I still feel that ramping has not been very good for the actual sport. It has been good for the manufacturing side of the sport as paint, loader, board, and et cetera manufacturers are always scrambling to have the best and fastest piece of equiptment out there.