AO'ers help revive AGD

[stevewar]

Now that i am thinking about it. Pushing agd hard core may be counter productive. If the sales boost for agd then they will go under quicker if they do not replenish stock. It appears they they do not have no intentions for replenishing anything. Considering the recent price spikes.

From everything I've read from them they are still plugging away, and haven't made any suggestion that they won't continue to replenish stock. Having income would only help bring up production capabilities.

[MANN]

AGD shot themselves in the foot

See the problem is they are already at the top with mech markers, and probally with the e markers also. Making something that never breaks means everyone will only buy 1.

[Anjin3515]

Id have to say I trust Rogue on this one.I would think as a dealer he would be aware of AGD status with inventory etc....

Would we all like to see AGD come out with something new....sure. But....the mag is so well designed...its hard to top. Yes there are cheaper guns that "outperform" it...but most if not all of those are electros. Mags are about as good as it gets when it comes to mech markers.

I for one don't mind a grass roots effort to get more sales for them. It never hurts to help out.

That being said.....the Mag valve and bolt system are fantastic! I don't know if they need to be touched at all. What I would like to see is a wider range of bodies and rails. Yeah I know its all cosmetic....but cosmetic can sell a lot of markers...even more so when backed up by the great internals the Mag has. Just look at the Tippmann....yes I know its milsim and I am not saying Mags should go milsim....but....there are hundreds of cosmetic upgrades for them...and people pay for them (sometimes outrageous prices). Or look at the ION and all its "body kits"...those things sell like crazy too.

I think as a marker the Mag is fine as is. Maybe it could use some style upgrades. Right now if you want to cosmetically mod your mag you have to do it yourself or have it custom done. Now this can be a chicken and egg situation....why make cosmetic parts for something that only sells "niche" numbers....but will these cosmetic parts make more sales??? I don't have an answer for that.

Again going back to Tippmann...its a mech marker (and IMHO no where near as good as a Mag).....they put out the X-7...basically an A-5 that can be easily cosmetically changed....that was in fact the whole marketing push for the X-7...."one gun, a thousand looks"...you rarely saw ad's touting its performance. What ever you think of Tippmann....they got the marketing thing down pretty good....and they sell a lot of markers.

Sad as it may sound but people are drawn to looks as well as performance. Sometimes more so to looks. There are a ton of people who add pounds of weight to their marker just to make it look different. There are a ton of people who buy "body kits" to change their marker to a favorite color. Right now...thats hard to do with a Mag....I'm not sure....I don't know....but maybe something like that would help them.

[Papa_Smurf]

See the problem is they are already at the top with mech markers, and probally with the e markers also. Making something that never breaks means everyone will only buy 1.

I must be an idiot then.


/What does that make A-Tach?

[rkjunior303]

LOL. Another one of these threads.

Honeslty, *IF* AGD was in any type of trouble and say this was true - why should anyone outside of the company make any effort to try to save them if they aren't making the effort themselves? You would think if they truly CARED about supporting their current customers while also making an effort to generate new business, they would make some sort of noticable effort....... If they don't care, why should we care?

Just saying. You could use this arguement for any company.

For AGD, anyways, I doubt they're in danger of going under at any point in the near future but do I think they're just doing the bare minimum to tread water? sure. They're making their sales and selling to their niche, and its keeping them afloat - which is probably fine by them.

[olinar]

really, what can they do?

theyve got everything down pat.

im sure if the sp thing didnt go down there would be one of the baddest assed electros on the face of the planet from agd, but im fine with an emag.

the only thing that i want that agd doesnt have is 2 things.

a double trigger carbon fiber frame. as well as a nice set of sticky style grips to fir them, thats all i would ever need.

[Ninjeff]

sure does make you wonder where AGD would be if the whole smart-farts thing never happened.



I wonder what we would be shooting?

[personman]

I'm just going to throw this out here because I love AGD; have owned and played with only 1 gun since 1993, and wouldn't trade my classic in for the world..

YOU, SIR, ARE DISGUSTING. IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT BRING AGD DOWN. HOW DARE YOU USE THE SAME AUTOMAG FOR 14 YEARS. OF COURSE AGD WONT MAKE ANY MONEY, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP USING THE SAME GUN!
srsly now.

[PumpMag]

The existence of this forum keeps AGD going....and going.....and going.......

But being out of the mainstream, no advertising, and not being able to find AGD products at your local store has gotta hurt any AGD sales growth.

[EclipseClassic]

I have seen and influx in a different breed of players. I have friends that still use pump guns and pistols. I think this could be a great market for AGD to tap in to. Selling pump conversion kits and revamped sydarms at a decent price could bring in some business. I think cosmetic upgrades would be appreciated too.

[warbeak2099]

I love shooting a mag and all, but AGD has like no marketing skills whatsoever. They are not agressive enough and until they decide to be, nothing we do is going to make a difference. They are content to be complacent.

[lather]

Its my understanding that they have came to a hault or making things at a VERY slow rate. I am not sure if you have looked at the prices in airgun.com The (old prices) on a pro classic was 230.00 the prices of a mini mag was 240.00 the warp feed was 60-70 bucks depending on color. The emag is no longer in production. Now the proclassic mag and mini mag is 259.00 the warp feed is 99~106.00 I have been told buy many that the company is selling off OLD stock then closing the doors. Since the stock is low they are making as much $$ as possible before the end.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box when it comes to running a business, but if AGD is merely getting rid of existing inventory with the objective of closing its doors--wouldnt prices be falling instead of rising?

My economics 101 brain tells me that prices go up due to rising costs of materials, manufacturing and/or demand, so raising prices to get rid of existing inventory does not make any sense.

I'm willing to bet that AGD is just merely running a tight ship with low overhead while servicing a niche market. With such a low overhead they are probably much better prepared to ride out the soft paintball market and will be in business a lot longer than some of the percieved more "sucessful" companies.

[Lenny]

I'm just waiting for Tom to chime in and tell you all wa's up.

[nathanjones008]

I'll be the first to admit I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box when it comes to running a business, but if AGD is merely getting rid of existing inventory with the objective of closing its doors--wouldnt prices be falling instead of rising?

My economics 101 brain tells me that prices go up due to rising costs of materials, manufacturing and/or demand, so raising prices to get rid of existing inventory does not make any sense.

I'm willing to bet that AGD is just merely running a tight ship with low overhead while servicing a niche market. With such a low overhead they are probably much better prepared to ride out the soft paintball market and will be in business a lot longer than some of the percieved more "sucessful" companies.

Think about it ,AGD used to one of the biggest(paintball) manufactuers in the country. And now they moved to a basement or a garage. Does this not make you guys a little bit nervous?

Look at AKA, SP screwed them up. They basically put them out of business. ANyhow I checked there websight(no more than 6 months) I still see the viking.(which was hasnt made any new model in since 04) for 700.00(which was left over stock) Really expensive for going under, dont you think? I just checked the websight now and the vikings,are no longer availiable(sold) but all the accesssories are still at full priced not reduced. So it is wise of them to sell it for full price, to get as much $$ as possible. AKA If they are in business, they are selling off old stock and bearly hanging by a thread,

It is POSSIBLE that agd is heading in the same or SIMiLar(For the time being AGD is a lil better off) forbidden path.

Makes me wonder.

[magmonkey]

AKA is leads metal products, a machine shop in indianapolis and has alot more going on then just paintball,
they are not out of the paintball business, they still build some of the best regs on the market