AO'ers help revive AGD

[stevewar]

Yes - OLD OLD prices. Set how many years ago? Many before I started working there, and I've been here 7 years now.

We didn't raise prices for a long time - but all our suppliers DID. And *when* we replenish inventory (we do), we have to pay the higher prices. Figure the math.

Marcia
AGD-USA

Ahh the voice of reason! Thanks Marcia

[stevewar]

Please tell me you're joking. Seriously that's pretty ignorant. Tourny ball requires just as much tactics and coordination as woodsball. If not more...

I agree that tournament ball takes tactics, but it is not at the level of woodsball played by people who actually use field tactics. I don't want to get into a pissing match, but if you would like a list of my reasons for thinking then PM me as I would love to have an intelligent discussion about it.

[rkjunior303]

I agree that tournament ball takes tactics, but it is not at the level of woodsball played by people who actually use field tactics. I don't want to get into a pissing match, but if you would like a list of my reasons for thinking then PM me as I would love to have an intelligent discussion about it.

"field tactics?"

you've got to be kidding me. It's paintball, not war. Run as far up in the woods as you can before they do, shoot as many as you can before they shoot you, put your gun up, and walk off the field until the next game.

It's not uncommon to walk *1* field for multiple hours before a tournament developing tactics on how to play the field.

[stevewar]

"field tactics?"

you've got to be kidding me. It's paintball, not war. Run as far up in the woods as you can before they do, shoot as many as you can before they shoot you, put your gun up, and walk off the field until the next game. Lol, yeah that'll work versus a group of guys who know the field and play together in a coordinated fashion. I wish you luck

It's not uncommon to walk *1* field for multiple hours before a tournament developing tactics on how to play the field.

Whatever, it's this type of attitude that has ruined the game for new players and is bringing down the game. Tournament fields were designed for one reason. TV. It's lame to watch, it's lame to play. And, if you're not sponsored and actually have to pay for you own paint, it's also expensive. It's much too fast for new players, and older people. There is no joy of actually being able to sneak up behind someone and shoot them in the ***, or to make a huge push up one side of the field and come around the back of unsuspecting defenders. Flat out, it's BORING.

[lt500]

Please stick to the topic. But every type of paintball has tactics, whether it's really complex or when you run in shooting, those are all tactics.

If AGD really wanted to get back into mainstream paintball they could very easily. They would just have to make a few changes to fit the mainstream paintballer. Lets face it, today people are into electronic triggers, high ROF, light wieght, and gas efficiency. AGD would just make the X-valve lighter, cycle a tad faster, and make it to where it doesn't use as much air. Add an ACE system to every gun and boom, back in the game. If a team was sponsered and started winning some big tourements, all the up and comers would notice and want a mag for Christmas.

[Sumthinwicked]

well it doesnt cycle fast enough for you find one that shoots faster than an xvalve THEY CANT when you have more than 42 posts then come back to us

[lt500]

Sorry, I didn't mean ROF but to lighen up the internals a bit to move a tad faster so you can bring down the input pressure and get better gas consumption. Less weight takes less air to move.

[d4m4don3]

Whatever, it's this type of attitude that has ruined the game for new players and is bringing down the game. Tournament fields were designed for one reason. TV. It's lame to watch, it's lame to play. And, if you're not sponsored and actually have to pay for you own paint, it's also expensive. It's much too fast for new players, and older people. There is no joy of actually being able to sneak up behind someone and shoot them in the ***, or to make a huge push up one side of the field and come around the back of unsuspecting defenders. Flat out, it's BORING.

I don't think so, speedball and woodsball have common tactics between them. I'd say the largest difference is in the size of the field and speed of the game. Adrenaline junkies will always flock to speedball because the game is faster paced and doesn't last more than 2-5 minutes per game. For those who like to hide in the bush, stalk or ambush woodsball is their bag.

Both games require you to have good familiarity with the field, any team will want to know the terrain they operate on. Any team will want to know where the best angles are to get the best kills. What makes or breaks the team is this knowledge the ability to communicate and knowledge of their own team mates skills and maneuver the field with confidence that each member will have their team mates backing them up.

And who says AGD needs to be revived? The markers are perfect in the woods and can compete on the speedball fields with enough modifications made available by the aftermarket vendors.

[rkjunior303]

Lol, yeah that'll work versus a group of guys who know the field and play together in a coordinated fashion. I wish you luck

that's exactly my point.. play speedball blindly vs a well-prepared team who knows the field, knows the angles, knows the lanes, etc - and you're going to get STOMPED.

Whatever, it's this type of attitude that has ruined the game for new players and is bringing down the game. Tournament fields were designed for one reason. TV. It's lame to watch, it's lame to play. And, if you're not sponsored and actually have to pay for you own paint, it's also expensive. It's much too fast for new players, and older people. There is no joy of actually being able to sneak up behind someone and shoot them in the ***, or to make a huge push up one side of the field and come around the back of unsuspecting defenders. Flat out, it's BORING.

Boring? You don't want to get me started about sitting in the woods and shooting every branch in front of you instead of your opponent.. and you're calling speedball boring? I'm not going to get in a speedball vs woodsball arguement because you're obviously a woodsball commando ... but saying the game is too fast for new players and old players - all you ahve to do is play within the same skill level that each individual player is... if you're new to speedball, you don't go and play 7man vs amateur teams - you join a rookie tournament,.

Last I checked, I didn't spend all this money on a sport so I could sneak around and not shoot at people..

[stevewar]

that's exactly my point.. play speedball blindly vs a well-prepared team who knows the field, knows the angles, knows the lanes, etc - and you're going to get STOMPED.




Boring? You don't want to get me started about sitting in the woods and shooting every branch in front of you instead of your opponent.. and you're calling speedball boring? I'm not going to get in a speedball vs woodsball arguement because you're obviously a woodsball commando ... but saying the game is too fast for new players and old players - all you ahve to do is play within the same skill level that each individual player is... if you're new to speedball, you don't go and play 7man vs amateur teams - you join a rookie tournament,.

Last I checked, I didn't spend all this money on a sport so I could sneak around and not shoot at people..

Consider this; give 1 guy on 1 team on a speedball field 2 paint grenades. What happens? The dynamics of the game are limited because the rules limit them. There is no room for using camoflauge and ambushing. So suffice it to say that when I said tactics, I meant dynamics. I don't want to offend anyone who plays the short fields; I'm NOT saying that it doesn't take skill, because it takes a great deal of skill. For me, it completely kills the spirit of paintball in order to commercialize the sport. This explains why there was such a huge expansion of the sport and now it's popularity has gone soft.

In either case this thread is about how to help AGG get their mojo back. Nobody seems to want to entertain the affiliate strategy which is mind boggling to me because it's a tried and true method of small business advertising. I am going to go through this entire thread and make a compile of everyones suggestions.

-Steve

[custar]

There is absolutely no need for the speedball and woodsball supporters of Automags to be at each other's throats. Speedball takes some specific skills and conditioning, and woodsball takes some different, specific skills and a different kind of conditioning. If there was more crossover, the players who obtained the skills from the other area would be better in their preferred area. It's all paintball guys, and Automags can be used for either.

That said, there are some things that AGD could do to promote sales. The Tac One is outstanding. Use it as a basis to make markers cosmetically similar to M4's and AK47's. These would definitely sell to the scenario players who spend up to $500.00 on Tippmanns with AK47 kits. The scenario side of PB is growing more than the speedball side, so take a lesson from Tippmann and SP and jump into that market. Give in to &^%%!#$()u*& SP, pay their licensing fee, and either start producing the e-mag lowers, possibly after updating the design, or producing another electro frame. For either market, get with the patent holders for the pneumatic trigger designs and work out something. There is a market for this.

In general, AGD needs to get to some events and become visible again. They don't need to sponsor the events, but it would be relatively inexpensive promotion to show up and be seen. I know there is an expense associated with this, but you have to spend money to make money.

custar

[maniacmechanic]

There is absolutely no need for the speedball and woodsball supporters of Automags to be at each other's throats. Speedball takes some specific skills and conditioning, and woodsball takes some different, specific skills and a different kind of conditioning. If there was more crossover, the players who obtained the skills from the other area would be better in their preferred area. It's all paintball guys, and Automags can be used for either.

That said, there are some things that AGD could do to promote sales. The Tac One is outstanding. Use it as a basis to make markers cosmetically similar to M4's and AK47's. These would definitely sell to the scenario players who spend up to $500.00 on Tippmanns with AK47 kits. The scenario side of PB is growing more than the speedball side, so take a lesson from Tippmann and SP and jump into that market. Give in to &^%%!#$()u*& SP, pay their licensing fee, and either start producing the e-mag lowers, possibly after updating the design, or producing another electro frame. For either market, get with the patent holders for the pneumatic trigger designs and work out something. There is a market for this.

In general, AGD needs to get to some events and become visible again. They don't need to sponsor the events, but it would be relatively inexpensive promotion to show up and be seen. I know there is an expense associated with this, but you have to spend money to make money.


custar

This is the first post in this thread that i'm in total agreement with

[Sumthinwicked]

sitting at a game cant be that much hit up skirimish theres always a bunch of mag players there for the bigger games just in spare orings and parts youll make your fee for the table even endgame showed they only sell a few barrels .....

[stevewar]

There is absolutely no need for the speedball and woodsball supporters of Automags to be at each other's throats. Speedball takes some specific skills and conditioning, and woodsball takes some different, specific skills and a different kind of conditioning. If there was more crossover, the players who obtained the skills from the other area would be better in their preferred area. It's all paintball guys, and Automags can be used for either.

That said, there are some things that AGD could do to promote sales. The Tac One is outstanding. Use it as a basis to make markers cosmetically similar to M4's and AK47's. These would definitely sell to the scenario players who spend up to $500.00 on Tippmanns with AK47 kits. The scenario side of PB is growing more than the speedball side, so take a lesson from Tippmann and SP and jump into that market. Give in to &^%%!#$()u*& SP, pay their licensing fee, and either start producing the e-mag lowers, possibly after updating the design, or producing another electro frame. For either market, get with the patent holders for the pneumatic trigger designs and work out something. There is a market for this.

In general, AGD needs to get to some events and become visible again. They don't need to sponsor the events, but it would be relatively inexpensive promotion to show up and be seen. I know there is an expense associated with this, but you have to spend money to make money.

custar

I completely agree. In fact, if AGD were to allow me to use their logos or banners that they already have I would be happy to go to the local fields 1 weekend per month and setup a booth in the parking lot (I know the owners of the fields.. They'd let me) with a couple of customized classics, tac-1's, an RT-ULE, and my pneu. Play a few rounds with the pneu and I bet people will come by and check it out. Good idea custar!

[LK-13]

is AGD really hurting this bad?
Is AGD really about to close it's doors forever or are we making mountains out of mole hills?