G-Force frame, not vaporware!

[Dirge]

No, your reading it right. The epoxy is there to make for a better, tighter fit.

And for all those who have a problem with epoxy, use JB WELD and quit your whining. It's part of the design, so move on.

[TwilightG]

I smell smoke...

It has been confirmed that all pics are from the prototype (which many have already suspected) and it also appears that the manual was written almost a year ago (2007 is indicated in several spots)

Until tracking numbers are confirmed, there is still NO evidence whatsoever of a production frame.

Although I still firmly believe that these will eventually reach our hands, it's just not going to happen anytime soon.
I confirmed my shipping/order info almost a month ago... If they were not ready back then, then why send out an e-mail for confirmation?

(unfortunately, it seems that the original G-Force thread has spilled out of the dealer section and into PB talk.. I'll try to keep all of my future posts regarding this in there)

[warbeak2099]

From what I can tell from the Manual... Epoxy is placed onto the extender pocket sidewalls on the inside,,, Sear rod is placed in the extender pocket ,,, and then a small allen screw goes through the Sear rod hole and screws into the extender... I must be reading and looking at the pictures wrong... My post is Not intended to flame,,, just looking at it from a Small Arms Repair Tech (45B) point of veiw...

Just my 2 pennies...

WK2

Yep, there's no reason with the screw and epoxy that it won't be good and solid.

And again, we've started over here. Keep the Garf bashing and negativity out of this and keep the discussion focused on the operation of the frame and such. If you want to talk about how much you hate Garf or how much you think we got screwed, take it to another thread please. Otherwise I'm going to close this thread which would suck for people who may not have seen the manual yet but are interested in checking it out.

[Spider-TW]

From what I can tell from the Manual... Epoxy is placed onto the extender pocket sidewalls on the inside,,, Sear rod is placed in the extender pocket ,,, and then a small allen screw goes through the Sear rod hole and screws into the extender... I must be reading and looking at the pictures wrong... My post is Not intended to flame,,, just looking at it from a Small Arms Repair Tech (45B) point of veiw...

Just my 2 pennies...

WK2

You reckon the allen screw is the locator for the fit between the two, while the epoxy hardens and keeps things from vibrating loose?

I'm sorry Warbeak, but your thread title did get my hopes up. I'm figure there's something technical to learn from this frame one way or the other.

[insixdays777]

If we ever see these things...looks like the design will be quieter than our DIY frames, the sear/arm adapter rest up against the articular...should help with the "click-tap" noise....not that is is overly loud anyway...just something I noticed that i think will be different.

[Spider-TW]

I've seen this mentioned, but was there a G-Force opinion on whether you should put the frame on a classic valved mag?

[robertsr1811]

He's said that you can, but that you will absolutely experience shootdown with rapid fire.

[TwilightG]

I've seen this mentioned, but was there a G-Force opinion on whether you should put the frame on a classic valved mag?

According to the other thread, G-Force claims to be testing each frame on X-Valved and Classic-valved mags.

[warbeak2099]

Yea he never said you'd experience massive shootdown. You will if you use Co2 of course. But Classic valves can handle about 16-17bps, so it shouldn't be a problem. We know the frame will work with a Classic, you just have to make sure you're not pulling over 17bps consistently. I can't even do 15 consistently, not that you really need to. So it will most likely work fine on my sleeper.

[Hilltop Customs]

I was wrong about the length of the trigger pull. But yes it's going to be lighter and yes it's going to be more efficient. A ram operating on 25-30psi is obviously going to consume less air than a ram operating on 50-80psi. That's just common sense.

And I didn't mean to get into a pissing match with people who obviously feel the need to validate their decision to put together their own frame instead of buying this one. Neither one is better, both have their strong points. It seems rather silly for you to as well to make conjecture about this frame being "not that much better than a DIY job" when you obviously haven't shot one yet. I can't say it's better than a DIY job because neither have I. I merely said what it seems like.

And I'm also sorry for sticking up for the guy when no one else would. Sometimes someone needs to play devil's advocate, even if the party he's defending is in fact guilty of something. It seems like we could use a little balance around here since no one is really being objective. It's a shame, but it's reality.

This thread was made to let customers and other interested parties check out the manual. It was also meant to give a little hope to those of us waiting on our frames. If people want to derail it, that's fine. I can always delete it. That would kind of suck though. So how's about we all grow up and end the juvenile pissing match?

Its also common sense that you dont know the internal volume of air used per shot of Garf's ram vs a MPA3 that is properly set up....so once again you dont know if it is more efficient. I forgot low pressure is inherently better Not that this efficiency matters because its probably equivalent to 5 shots out of the tank if that, but you made the claim in the first place.

I say this frame is not better than DIY frames because at this point Garfs frames dont exist. Once its in the hands of the users and there are some reviews of it, my opinion might change, but it will never change based on speculation.

I havent once been juvenile, or been in this so called pissing match, I just pointed out that your claims are pure speculation. I couldn't really care less if you want to play devils advocate, I didnt post here because of you or Garf, I posted here because your statements are misleading.


edit: just a little speculation of my own, low pressure will cause a slower reaction time of the ram. Lower reaction time the ram could lead to a higher chance of misfire because of a partial pull or extremely fast release. Now will this be a problem? who knows, I'm just trying to show you that I could add much more doubt in this frame and its functionality......but I dont see a point in backing or talking down a product until I have experience with it.

[warbeak2099]

I'm on vacation so I haven't been able to get on recently. But Garf gave me some specs on the production frames:


Frame Cosmetics
-new trigger guard milling
-trigger guard cut higher for big hands
-grip area reduced for smaller hands
-new custom grip panels (3 screws) with inner pockets milled to accommodate wide aftermarket LPR

Functional milling and improvements
-mill excess material for weight reduction
-increased LPR cavity area for larger LPR
-re-designed actuator with exhaust vent holes for faster cycling
-set screw for retaining trigger pin
-dual ball bearings in trigger
-changed to M3 from 4-40 set screws for finer adjustments
-spring pocket in trigger
-new trigger geometry
-access hole for sear release
-wider sear extender adaptor
-back stop for sear extender adaptor

I'll update you when I get more info, probably when I get home on Thursday.

[robertsr1811]

Any tracking info? I thought you were supposed to hear Friday or today.

[Chronobreak]

Any tracking info? I thought you were supposed to hear Friday or today.

haha

funny how people start believing garf know when he says hes shipping them.

warbreak, i think you jumped the gun on posting.

[Twistedpsyche]

I'm sorry, but when it comes to stuff, I'm Agnostic. I'll believe it when I see it!!
So far I've seen NO hard evidence. And I'm sorry, but even a tracking # is not hard evidence. I've been fed bogus tracking #s before just so the person could buy some time. Not cool.

[Smoothice]

haha

funny how people start believing garf know when he says hes shipping them.

warbreak, i think you jumped the gun on posting.

Please don't lump me into your "people" comment.