New Frame - Preorder inquiry

[Toll]

Imo : Design to the budget.

The cheaper they are the more likely people are going to pick one up rather than convince themselves to invest.


Personally my paintball budget has plummeted and I like the idea this frame puts forth.

[paintball72]

im digging this, id love a light and tight mag. i might just have to make the jump and buy an x-valve to go with this thing. but id be willing to go 200-250 because id like more features. im definately in if this is done in reasonable time frame (a year or so) not sure how long these things actually take

[RogueFactor]

old school bodies do not work with any rt pro/ emag lenght rails.

Thats not true. E-mags and RT Pros used to all come with the old school stainless bodies.

[Rudz]

you could use the sfl emag trick and instead of using the z lock, u can use a set screw as a secondary safety feature to keep the valve from coming out, and yes i have heard of thumbscrews shearing, on a couple occasions, i say run with the ego frame idea and 15* integrated asa, love the dovetail mount too, missed that before

[indeed]

I want in on this. I think the trigger looks like my M/T Force Angel. If it had more spacing between the asa and the frame that would rock, I like the feel of a rt pro length rail. Plus a snatch grip that's got the z lock integrated in it.

[going_home]

Looking at the drawings again it looks to me like the safety would be in the way of the sear functioning properly. Just saying.

[MANN]

Thats not true. E-mags and RT Pros used to all come with the old school stainless bodies.

yes, but with the round bottom and not the oval. IMO old school is the am/mm bodies.

[Pneumagger]

Ok, just to recap suggestions and things to include on the first revision.
Items with a dolla sign next to them indicate this change will require an inrease in machine time.

Slotted trigger gaurd ($)
Ego shaped grip and panels
longer sleeker rear that can use the z-slot pin.
Make things a bit lighter
Mounting tab/brackets.
Drill/Tap the front LPR hole ($)
include a top slot for an LPR hose
Model the sear/trigger interaction.

Keep in mind people, with non-ATC CNC machining the cost is mostly affected by part changes and tool changes.
Converting CAD to code wont be all that different, nor will initial setup or CNC run time.
So part that can be machined from 3 sides requires less operator time than a part requiring 4 sides.
And a part that uses 4 tools versus 4 tools and 3 extra special cutters requires downtime and operator to change those bits out.
Aside from that, a CNC machine doesn't care if it's carving stick figures or the mona lisa... it's quick and cheap as long the machine is running.
Right now, with all the proposed changes, we're going to need 7 positions and tool changes for different size holes and radii and dovetails and threads.

Honestly, I think if we get rid of the dovetail, trigger guard slot, and LPR input we can save a good amount.
That saves us TWO positions because we wont need cuts from the bottom or front. Then I'll just drill/tap the bottom and LPR holes on my manual mill at home.
People who want the slots and dovetails... maybe I can look into what tooling the dovetails will require... as slotting and dovetails can be done manually.

[Spider-TW]

Looking at the drawings again it looks to me like the safety would be in the way of the sear functioning properly. Just saying.

Looks close alright, but maybe the safety can lock the sear as well. Either way, you might need to stipulate that the frame is not for the old style sears with the big catch if they don't fit.

I'll have to vote for one. This and warpedmephisto's CF body would be impressive. It's my favorite configuration; loader, bottle, mag valve, and something to hold it by.

This frame will need a shorter field strip screw (and frame screw)?

[Pneumagger]

This frame will need a shorter field strip screw (and frame screw)?

It will require a standard or low 10-32 socket head cap screw. Preferably stainless.
They are bout $.50/ea. Cheaper if you go with regular steel.

If it can be done, we'll be using the current flat head screw the recent UMFs use.

[Brewtt]

Without the rail in there you are lowering the sear assembly toward the trigger/guard/frame almost half an inch it looks like. This will change the sear/trigger geometry will it not? Have you considered this?

[Xmagterror]

COOL IDEA!!!!!! Milling the ASA on the front of the frame is going to be a pain if your not going to do it in 3D but its nothing that cant be done with the know how and a good machine!

ULE mill the hell out of it!

[splat15k]

I really like where this is going.

I must restate what has been suggested a few times before but has not received too much attention: Vert ASA option. Scratch that, Vert ASA standard.

I cannot speak for others of course, but I despise 15* ASA's. I could see spending 250-300 for this frame with a vert ASA, but I would probably pass on it if it had a 15*ASA

Side note: an 07/08 ego trigger guard style would melt faces!!!!

[Hilltop Customs]

no pics are showing up for me in firefox....not even the little squares where pics would be
IE they show up though.

for pneumags this wont be a problem, but for standard mechanical mags the angles of the trigger rod will be changed if the activation point is kept at the stock location(top of the trigger). If the activation point on the trigger is lowered, it will make the trigger pull much harder(but shorter). For pneumags this wont make a difference since the ram would be used to activate the sear.

any ideas on how to mount pneumag internals in this? everything will be forced to mount lower since now the sear is in the top of the frame. This could cause some real problems with mounting the 3 way. I would consider mounting the ram vertically under the on/off portion of the sear....this would leave more space up high to mount the 3 way behind the trigger. It would also allow for the "arm" to be removed from the sear....once again giving more room to work with to mount the 3way. I wouldnt even think about removing materials till you are deadset on features.

What about, instead of an integrated asa, include an classic rail type extension on the front for mounting any type of asa/foregrip extension/whatever. Might not look as pretty, but gives more options. Just an idea.

Looks great. I've always wondered why no one has done this.

[snoopay700]

If it could be used on a classic i'd love it, cause all i have are twistlock mags.
Doh, i just realized that this is the type of frame i've been hoping for. I'd have to get a ULE body and cocker barrel, but i'd love it. I've been hoping for the rail to disappear for a while.