New Frame - Preorder inquiry

[Pneumagger]

Yes this is AO. Yes this a part preorder interest thread. Yes, I'm well aware of the past as well as most of you are.
Having said that, I think we can all agree that a preorder can be run smoothly so I'm bringing this thread into existence as early as possible.
Possibly a little too early, but it's early enough that AO can provide input and feedback before ANYTHING is set in stone.
I'm going to lay it all out there and this either going to happen or it isn't. No fiascos, no wonderment, no ambiguity.

The concept is a frame that allows the mag to be lighter, tighter, and (of course) sexier.
If there exists Automags, Minimags, and Micromags... this thing ought to be called the NanoMag.
How? The Automag rail. It isn't needed. it's just another part that needs to be bought, installed and jazzed up for a killer mag.
Below is a model of the frame. Keep in mind. This if model 0.1 - it's the 'concept' only. It is shown with an actual Xvlave body and reg housing as well as a ULE body.
While it is a working dimensionally accurate model, there is room for AO's input. There are already several changes I've discussed that are going into the revised model.
While looking at it keep in mind that the frame houses the sear assembly and will fit AGD bodies and valves (not including the RT Classic series) as well as Logic scythe-Style Triggers.

Changes already being cosidered:
Add front tapped hole for pneumag enthusists.
Mill a channel in the top of the frame to hide an LPR hose.
intelliframe-like mounting plate for customizations
Elongate the body screw hole countersink to allow classic/minimag bodies
Take some meat out to make it as light as economically possible.
??? Make suggestions AO... now is the time ???

Without further waiting, here are some of the early renders... you can probably guess who I'll be working with on this:

[Pneumagger]

Continued

Now for the financial details:

WE are putting this preorder together. Not ME... Not Logic... US! I can provide the models and with our input we can make it happen.
I will be 110% honest all along the way to provide acurate information - and the reality of this depends on AO honesty as well. With honest interest and information, we can do it.
I am going to facilitate this at little (or no) profit. Keep in mind, if we can't get ~50 people this MAY NOT be cheap.
We will not have an "exact" price until a final production model is provided to the shop. However, no preorders will be taken until an exact price is determined.
Given the increased complexity of this frame vs the UMF, count on it being at least the same price or more, even with the required amount of preorders.
(Also remember... you don't need a new rail for your new frame too )

#1) Gauge preorder interest
#2) Agree on a final production model
#3) Appoint a treasurer. Treasurer collects a (refundable) payment.
#4) Once the minimum required number of paid preorders is reached, every person is contacted requesting consent to send that money to the shop.
(at this point, everything is nonrefundable and it's the waiting game)

We could also do something like a 50% nonrefundable deposit and then the treasurer fronts the other 50%.
When the frames come in, you payoff your balance to recieve the frame. This way there is shared limited risk.
If you don't have the balance, your preorder is lost and the frame is sold (discounted) in the BST.

THE MORE HONESTLY YOU VOTE YOUR WILLINGESS PRICE TO PAY...
THE MORE ACCURATE WE CAN DETERMINE A MINIMUM PREORDER QUANTITY!!!
IF WE SURPASS THE MINIMUM QUANTITY, IT WILL OF COURSE BE CHEAPER.
:)

[punkrex]

cool concept -- what about a vert asa instead of the angle?

[Rudz]

i love the angle, id love for it to be easilly "pmueabble" if thats a word, lol, i bet this things tiny with a classic sized body, would we be able tp pump mill this frame? i think if it was pump milled, that slot could double at the airline slot for pnue conversions, just saying, kill 2 birds with 1 stone

[Toll]

I love the idea and design and yet I am dirt poor.

That would really make a ridiculously light mag

[lasrsktr]

I love this concept!

I for one would like to see a more rounded off rear of the frame...

One of the Draw back I have found to most of the logic designed frames is the 2x4 block feel of them when compared to a stock AGD and even the Chimera in comparison.


but I love the concept and I would be down for it.... but lets leave the LPR tap as an option and not a mandatory addition because it will kill(in some eyes) the smooth look of the proposed design.

There are plenty of people who can Mill and tap into a 15* asa type fitting for the service to be easy enough to perform.

[Rudz]

i figure your getting an asa. "rail" and frame all together, so id be willing to pay up to 150-200 if they came annodized with hardware, such as grips and screws and what not., btw i just realized we wouldnt be able to pump this frame yeah im slow sometimes , but it would still make an awesome pnue frame, and i bet it would look just beautiful

[Rudz]

I love this concept!

I for one would like to see a more rounded off rear of the frame...

One of the Draw back I have found to most of the logic designed frames is the 2x4 block feel of them when compared to a stock AGD and even the Chimera in comparison.


but I love the concept and I would be down for it.... but lets leave the LPR tap as an option and not a mandatory addition because it will kill(in some eyes) the smooth look of the proposed design.

There are plenty of people who can Mill and tap into a 15* asa type fitting for the service to be easy enough to perform.

i like the hump on the rear too, id love to the the inside of the frame more uled, but leave the intelliframe bracket for conversions, and how about slotting the trigger guard?

[lasrsktr]

i like the hump on the rear too, id love to the the inside of the frame more uled, but leave the intelliframe bracket for conversions, and how about slotting the trigger guard?

wasn't talking about the hump as that feels good...

I am talking about the width of the frame... it feels like a block of wood.......

[mag79]

looks good, I'm in

[Ruler_Mark]

What would be hot is if it was all already milled and tapped to run a cyberrave pnue kit.

[flyingpootang]

Looks like one night a UMF frame got blind stinking drunk, hooked up with a Ion frame and 9 months later had a baby.....

1. I would start with separating the meat between the ASA and the trigger guard.
2. Redesign the trigger guard. I like the ego frames.
3. Go with a 90 degree simular to a G7.
4. Go with ego or angel grips.
5. Go with a wave style trigger
6. Mill out the top of the frame to except a MPA-3/lpr hose/msv-2
7. keep the dove tail milling on the bottom of the frame.

[geekwarrior]

how does the sear sit in there?

and for design, I always like the tail end of the dallara rail, if you can somehow mill that in...

good stuff

/nvm, I see it in the other pics....

[Rudz]

the rear of the frame can be dressed up, take a look at the ego frames, the trigger guard is kinda blocky, but its an awesome idea

[Pneumagger]

wasn't talking about the hump as that feels good...
I am talking about the width of the frame... it feels like a block of wood.......

I hear ya. The logic frames are nearly 3/4" wied top to bottom as are most AGD frames.
But the originals are chamfered and the more recent ones only have a modest filet.
I can try rounding off the back edge some more.
The reason I chose the UMF is the enourmous trigger gaurd is tits.

We can even choose an entirely differnt frame shape too. Airwalk, Angel-esque, i-frame... this is just a concept preorder thread.

I figure your getting an asa. "rail" and frame all together, so id be willing to pay up to 150-200 if they came annodized with hardware, such as grips and screws and what not., btw i just realized we wouldnt be able to pump this frame yeah im slow sometimes , but it would still make an awesome pnue frame, and i bet it would look just beautiful

Dont be soo sad yet. Someone could always fabricate a pump arm that fits into the front ASA hole.
I've never made a pump, so I do not have the knowledge to do this on the stock frame.
It would have to be done custom on the frame afterwards.

A slotted trigger guard is fair game. I only left it out for the concept model because it's a cost-adder.
Just remember, more cutting = more tooling = more money.

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To settle the "pneu-ready" discussions early...
There will NOT be a frame that simply accepts bolt on pneu parts. That skims a little too close to the whole patent debate.
However, there more than likely be a front tapped hole for an LPR and possible a small channel in the top to convey an LPR hose.
There will also be a generous solid tab/bracket inside to mount whatevery you guys want.
Think... you may have to mount the MPA vertically to strike the rear of the sear or you may have to mount the MPA creatively and stick the MSV really really low.
Remeber, with the sear sitting almost 3/4" lower in the frame (no more rail) and the body 3/4" more forward on the frame the valve is closer to your hands and away from your face.
The whole concept is light and tight... not somuch pneu-ready.