Smaller Balls are you ready?

[Lohman446]

In my opinion though, a sport is that sport for a reason. Change something, and its not that sport anymore. Somethings are a certain standard so its not too easy, Why are football fields 100 yards? Why are basketball hoops 10 feet high? I like the idea of having to reload after 200 rounds and if you see the other team around 300 feet away that you have to work your way to them rather than sitting there and just shooting.

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The mound height in baseball and softball have been changed repeatedly. The plate to rubber has been changed. The bat specifications have been changed.

The location of the goal posts in football have been changed. The forward pass. The two-point conversion. The very ball itself, ditto that in basketball.

[DamianTC]

The mound height in baseball and softball have been changed repeatedly. The plate to rubber has been changed. The bat specifications have been changed.

The location of the goal posts in football have been changed. The forward pass. The two-point conversion. The very ball itself, ditto that in basketball.

You are exactly right in your examples. Those are all examples of changes in sports. But think about everything you said: Batters can expect to see balls faster and in the strike zone more often with higher pitching mounds. The plate to rubber distance has increased. Bats went from metal to wood. The goal posts were moved back 10 yards. The abilty to catch a thrown ball down field while being defended upon, and the option to go for 2 rather than easily kick a 3 yarder.

All these changes were indeed added to a sport... but not to make the game any easier. They added more challenge to the game.

Now look at what paintball adds...

We started with 10 balls and 25 shots worth of air, now 200 balls and 1000 shots of air.
We might have carried 50 extra balls, now close to a 1000.
We all used to wear camo, Now we all stick out like sore thumbs.
Shoot and recock, now its semi or faster.
You can't shoot 10 balls a second? Just shoot 5 a second and ramping will take you up to 10.

I don't have to continue, we all know this. There are many more to list. Paintball has gotten easier over the years. No ofense to anyone, but thats why more kids play today when this used to be an adult game in the beginning.

[Lohman446]

I like what base equipment could represent far better anyways - pump play would be, to me, the new peak of the sport that allowed a much more even playing field, more athletecism, and far more interest.

But paintball is what it is....

At one point a batter did not walk until they had gotten 7 balls. Making it easier / or harder for the batter does the inverse to the pitcher. Games do change.

[Beemer]

I don't have to continue, we all know this. There are many more to list. Paintball has gotten easier over the years. No ofense to anyone, but thats why more kids play today when this used to be an adult game in the beginning.

Agreed but you left out the skill part at the end there. See how they did that? They took out the skill part with ramping so the demographic would change, and they reaped the windfall for the short term instead of thinking long term.

One shot one pull as fast as you can is now billyball, one shot every two seconds.
How many ions are they selling now???

[Lohman446]

Agreed but you left out the skill part at the end there. See how they did that? They took out the skill part with ramping so the demographic would change, and they reaped the windfall for the short term instead of thinking long term.

One shot one pull as fast as you can is now billyball, one shot every two seconds.
How many ions are they selling now???

I disagree that ramping was the cause of the demographic shift. The demographic shift happened well before ramping was widespread and frankly I would think it did not benefit the younger "faster finger" generation. Like ramping or not (I prefer it, even liking pump I don't think how fast you can wiggle the trigger should be a skill measured by the competition of paintball) we cannot lay the blame on it.

[Beemer]

Well a fast trig finger used to be a measured skill and meant somthing back in the day.

But lets talk about this new 50cal ball. Here is some info from the web.

I too did the math a long while back along with Tom Kaye and we came up with some interesting results but ..... a lot of us can sit down with a pencil and theorise with numbers and functions hanging out our *** and 'yes', mathematics can and does prove useful but the proof is in the practical pudding. And this particular pudding has a factor affecting it that nobody has yet introduced.

Whats the factor??

Richmond has overseen the development and production of these paintballs, which by the way, are being manufactured by Procaps. A heavy fill has already been developed which will satisfy the claims for an increased flight distance.

The fact there are claims of a more accurate ball can be easily understood when we look
at the ball's ballistic properties. It has a significantly reduced surface area (which of course
is the property of a squared function) and as such, will be less prone to wind turbulence.
And one other thing; because Richmond has increased the density of the paint, thus
giving us a heavier ball, this also increases the inertial value which has a two fold effect, it increases the ball's accuracy and distance shot when compared to a .5 calibre ball of a lesser weighted (less dense) fill.

So smaller ball with heavy more dense fill.

Still need to know TWO things, the actual weight and intended muzzle velocity to calculate the numbers for safety.

Like I said before, you want the smallest heaviest ball you can get.

[DamianTC]

You can't put the blame on one thing. I believe its a building up of what I posted earlier: paintball has gotten too advanced for its own good. And again, you can't put the blame on any one thing or person. I remember in my first year or 2 of playing back in '96 or '97, I was at my field with my VM-68. Everyone would have simular type blow back guns like spyders, pro-lites, raptors, etc. There was always the one or two guys that had an Automag RT or a Shocker. No one wanted to encounter them on the field, but no one would also mind if they was on their team. I remember clearly back then that those 2 guys easily made a difference in the game and was an obvious factor. I could have never imagined playing in a game where every player had an RT or a Shocker. Now look today, there are guns that shot almost 3 times as fast as them. What more do we need?

[Beemer]

Now look today, there are guns that shot almost 3 times as fast as them. What more do we need?

50cal balls that weigh 3.2g at 300fps.

I think we should just play with FN303s.

[Lohman446]

Well a fast trig finger used to be a measured skill and meant somthing back in the day.

True, which to me was a ridiculous skill to be advantageous.

What skill set does the game measure:

Accuracy, stealth, cunning, movement, and a really fast finger...

[DamianTC]

Well just remember.. we give up .68 balls. we give up our automags.

I'm not supporting .50 balls

[Smoothice]

Now look today, there are guns that shot almost 3 times as fast as them. What more do we need?

You need to take them out with a pump...

Show all the kiddies skill isn't how much paint you can shoot.

[Beemer]

68 will be around for a Loooooooong time.

[vf-xx]

You need to take them out with a pump...

Show all the kiddies skill isn't how much paint you can shoot.

No kidding. Last time I was out, there was a guy menacing me with his Sniper II. Gah, got tired of being gogged by him.

[cockerpunk]

Well a fast trig finger used to be a measured skill and meant somthing back in the day.

But lets talk about this new 50cal ball. Here is some info from the web.



Whats the factor??



So smaller ball with heavy more dense fill.

Still need to know TWO things, the actual weight and intended muzzle velocity to calculate the numbers for safety.

Like I said before, you want the smallest heaviest ball you can get.

where did you get that second quote?

[DamianTC]

68 will be around for a Loooooooong time.

You know most other paintball producing companies don't limit themselves to only making paintballs. The .68 ball has other lifes too. You know those pampering gift sets that wifes and GFs love? Those liquid soap balls you throw in your tub: .68 caliber.

I seen that on one of the shows on discovery on how they made paintballs I believe.

Anyone know any other uses of a paintball shell that is non-paintball related?