From MCB: Safety warning regarding SA8

[MANN]

It's a fixed-velocity valve. So no, that's not the same.

I can adjust the velocity on mine fine. There is an allen head that allows you to adjust the pressure on both of my SA8s

[MANN]

I'm curious how many are actually out there. I would *guess* less than 100, and likely less than 50. There may be a lot of discussion about things that most of us will never see.

I would guess over 200 SA-8 at least.

[RehKal]

Ultimately I think it boils down to the fact that the SA8 is sold as a WEAPON, not as a marker. That should be simple enough, regardless if all the internals were exactly the same. It's designed, classified and sold as a weapon. Which makes it a weapon. Not something to use on a paintball field.

If I were a field owner I wouldn't allow them to be used on my field, simply for the same legal reasons that Tiberious put out their statement. You can bet if anyone is ever hurt by one of these, both the owner of the SA8 AND the field owner will be sued. And as with any kind of extreme sport, it's probally just a matter of time until it happens.

[Mongoose]

I gotta say i am 50/50 on this.
I can see truth in both sides and each has a great argument.

My thought is, If they are both basically the same, Why not just use a tac 8?????

What benefits are gained by using the SA-8 on the paintball field?

[RehKal]

I gotta say i am 50/50 on this.
I can see truth in both sides and each has a great argument.

My thought is, If they are both basically the same, Why not just use a tac 8?????

What benefits are gained by using the SA-8 on the paintball field?

I believe the idea is that's its cheaper.

Which brings up another good point. Are you going to be happy with yourself if you hurt someone in your attempt to get something cheaper?

[cougar20th]

. I mean I could modify a large bore revolver to fire paintballs using light charges I imagine, but it would not make it reasonable.

The militarty has"bullets" that are what you speak of. I used to have some. They definatly were not something you wanted to get hit with.


Now ive got a question about the SA8 & PB fields. Someone uses a SA8 injures another player. Will the fields insurance cover the injury or not. Im thinking mostlikly not due to the "Not for recreational use" engraving. That & the fact that is is NOT a paintball gun.

That is enough of a reason for any field to ban the SA8.

[Frizzle Fry]

That is enough of a reason for any field to ban the SA8.

qft

[MANN]

Will the fields insurance cover the injury or not. Im thinking mostlikly not due to the "Not for recreational use" engraving. That & the fact that is is NOT a paintball gun.

There was a time when I was trying to purchase field insurance. The would not allow full auto/markers above a certain bps. All markers that could not be controlled below 300fps were also not allowed (automag with rt). How many fields do you know of that enforce this rule? Also is there any way of telling who shot who. Half of the time you dont know who shot who.

[Frizzle Fry]

There was a time when I was trying to purchase field insurance. The would not allow full auto/markers above a certain bps. All markers that could not be controlled below 300fps were also not allowed (automag with rt). How many fields do you know of that enforce this rule? Also is there any way of telling who shot who. Half of the time you dont know who shot who.

The problem is that most fields, even when they're completely in the right, settle outside of court. That's mostly because there just isn't that much legal precedent and both lawyers and insurance companies would rather just make things go away. If someone says "A player was using a gun made for shooting pepper spray projectiles and the field owner was OK with it" (not quite accurate, but that's something like what would be said) then a judge will find in their favor for whatever is asked in damages. That's encouragement not to settle (and settling outside of court is already rough on fields).

[BigEvil]

Has anyone asked if Tiberious will convert them over to Tac 8s? It shouldn't take much.

[MANN]

Has anyone asked if Tiberious will convert them over to Tac 8s? It shouldn't take much.

according to some on mcb tiberious is saying that there are "too many differences".

[Lohman446]

If I shoot someone with something that was manufactured and sold as a weapon I am not playing a game. If injury results civil issues might be a secondary concern.

[classicmagplayer]

Has anyone asked if Tiberious will convert them over to Tac 8s? It shouldn't take much.

Why convert when you can exchange? More cost effective to simply give the customer a Tac 8 off the shelf and resell the SA-8 than it is to take apart the SA-8, change out parts, give the customer their converted marker, reassemble the parts into a new SA-8, and resell it.

[DevilMan]

If I shoot someone with something that was manufactured and sold as a weapon I am not playing a game. If injury results civil issues might be a secondary concern.

Well since they manufacture Bow N Arrow kits, BlowGun kits, and you can even use mortars and sling shots to propel a paintball, not to mention the mines and grenades, I'd be hard pressed to call ANY of those things TOYS. And if you are trying to decode what is and is not a weapon, well I think that's going to be a can of worms all in itself.

Again, there are markers that are on the field that have no safeties on them, and there are those that have no trigger guard. There are some that are even home made to some extent.

DM

[DevilMan]

Because it's not a straight exchange. The deal is a $100 credit. That still leaves the person making up another $85+ in some cases. Does Tiberius have to do this. NO. But it's not a straight trade.

DM