I don't get it...I really dont.

[cockerpunk]

This is all you talking. I'm not drawing at straws, I didn't put words in your mouth, miss quote you in any way so don't play that card.








I have a life and kids to pick up from school, i'm not quoting everything you've said. If this isn't calling them inferior or can't be competitive then I don't know what is.

and no where did i say that playing with a mag means you can't compete or that playing with a mag will cost you a game. i said they are infirior, i never said it would cost you a game or you can't compete on a modern paintball feild with them. infirior jsut means its worse ... so what? just becuase the other guy can bench more then me and i am physically infirior to him doesn't mean he will win in paintball.

quite the opposite really, i play pump, mech and older electro all the time, i love it.

i said a mag isn't as high performance, and i backed that up. k, so what? my phantom is not a high performance gun, but i still rock faces with it. faces that are often shooting much higher performance guns.

GG, really, GG.

me playing:



i count 5 electros and a metadyne in this pic - OH NOES









dont have any pics of me playing with this one, but i do from time to time (and it rocks!!!)



even speedball!!! with a PUMP automag ... oh noes!








wow, i didn't realize that i couldn't compete. so sorry to lead you on ...


GG dude, really.

[Ando]

WTF are you talking about?!?!? You just called them a POS compared to other markers. What? Where not suppose to read into that?

You got a damn screw loose

[cockerpunk]

WTF are you talking about?!?!? You just called them a POS compared to other markers. What? Where not suppose to read into that?

You got a damn screw loose

i certanly didn't call them a POS. i said they arn't as good as other markers that have come out in the last 5-10 years. your the one with the screw loose assuming pieces of an arugment that doesn't exist.

[Frizzle Fry]

i certanly didn't call them a POS. i said they arn't as good as other markers that have come out in the last 5-10 years. your the one with the screw loose assuming pieces of an arugment that doesn't exist.

You said that they were worse than any other marker. That's what you said, verbatim.

You said that playing with an Automag puts you at a disadvantage.

There's more. Maybe you should go back and read your own posts?

[Ando]

i certanly didn't call them a POS. i said they arn't as good as other markers.

Semantics, which is what you write in 100% of the time.

"I want an escort to escort our penises in to her vagina" - Lou

your the one with the screw loose assuming pieces of an arugment that doesn't exist.

WHAT?

EDIT: Come out to TB5 and we'll show you what a inferior marker can do...

[cockerpunk]

You said that they were worse than any other marker. That's what you said, verbatim.

You said that playing with an Automag puts you at a disadvantage.

There's more. Maybe you should go back and read your own posts?

show me where i said "mags are worse then any other marker"

anytime you play with an infirior piece of equipment you will be at a disadvantage. you will also be at a disadvantage if you ate chipotle 2 hours before playing, or were fighting with your wife/gf the night before ... ok, so what? your also at a disadvantage if you have worse paint, or it was stored longer, or your gun is overlubed or any million things. so what?

maybe you should read my posts and not extrapolate the ideas in them to mean terrible things? maybe you should read how much fun i think mags are, how great i say they shoot, and how much i love them?

idk, im not standing behind you when you read my posts, i can only write what i think. i can't make you understand them if you assume im a mag hater (which anyone who knows me for 5 seconds knows i am not) hell, my GF knows i love automags and she doesn't know **** about paintball.

EDIT: Come out to TB5 and we'll show you what a inferior marker can do...

being a frequent mag shooter, i know full well how great mags are.



the only gun different in my current collection is that i now have a red smear classic RT instead of the black one.

has the double macro-line still though

[leloup]

i don't think you are reading my posts at all. i spefically mention that i enjoy loud guns. i love heavier guns ...

i bolded all your subjective statments. thats the exact point im making. just becuase someone likes something doesn't make it better in the objective performance. a louder gun is worse in paintball. makes communicating harder, makes moving and shooting stealthy harder ... but i LOVE a loud gun. i am a huge sucker for a loud gun. then again, i just like loud things in general ...

seriously, try reading my posts. its pretty clear your not even reading them.

You misinterpreted my post. The point I was making is that your statements of a marker being better or superior to another are only founded on subjectivity, not objectivity. I agree with you that loud is fun, however, on a small speed ball field, markers are not really loud enough to hamper a nice throaty yell. As for your statement about weight, maybe you should start hunting or join the armed services. Fire arms are heavy, and I don't have a problem shouldering my Mosin Nagant (9lbs) around hunting the entire day. Marker weight is preference. And for the love of all things good, use fire fox to spell check. I thought you were in grad school.

[Ando]

show me where i said "mags are worse then any other marker"

its just silly to me. mags, cockers, love them. but i don't love them becuase they are any better then any other gun, i love them because they are worse then every other gun.

...I give up. You guys have a nice day beating your head against this wall here.

[cockerpunk]

You misinterpreted my post. The point I was making is that your statements of a marker being better or superior to another are only founded on subjectivity, not objectivity. I agree with you that loud is fun, however, on a small speed ball field, markers are not really loud enough to hamper a nice throaty yell. As for your statement about weight, maybe you should start hunting or join the armed services. Fire arms are heavy, and I don't have a problem shouldering my Mosin Nagant (9lbs) around hunting the entire day. Marker weight is preference. And for the love of all things good, use fire fox to spell check. I thought you were in grad school.

no, i get exactly what you mean. and i don't disagree except that "good enough" isn't "best" there is always room for improvement. you can always make a gun smaller, lighter and better. sometimes that might require paradigm shifts or changes in form, or any number of things, but that doesn't mean that a gun that weighs nothing wouldn't help you run faster. it sure as heck would! and you would be able to play for longer, move faster, and be better at everything.

there is better technology-wise, and then there is preference. i prefer technologically inferior guns. they are more fun. i don't deny that that the new stuff is better then my equipment, because it is. but thats ok with me, i still choose to shoot inferior guns becuase i like them more, and i can compete with them just the same. knowing the gun is worse doesn't mean i can't have fun with it, shoot poeple with it, modify it ...

EDIT: if you want to argue that "for the purpose of eliminating other players with paintballs" is a subjective metric, then i'll grant you the point. but that happens to be the goal of the game, so for this argument i would assume that to be an objective metric.

[cockerpunk]

...I give up. You guys have a nice day beating your head against this wall here.

oh damn. got me. i'll surrender to that one.

i could go on into "what i ment was" and "the context was ..." stuff, but thats not right. i put the challenge out there and fell into my own trap.

i think you understand what i mean now, by mags being inferior and yet still great fun.


EDIT - ill raise you double or nothing if you can count how many times i compliment mags in this thread though

DOUBLE EDIT - 666th post woot

[wimag]

settle down Mike and dont get your panties crammed in a knot to far up your vagina.

[Spider-TW]

settle down Mike and dont get your panties crammed in a knot to far up your vagina.

You mean don't get vajazzled?

666th, wow. I was just thinking what a devil's advocate you were being, CP.

[Frizzle Fry]

...I give up. You guys have a nice day beating your head against this wall here.

Forget it, Jake; it's Chinatown

[djinnform]

mag vs. new markers

I have a Proto Rail that I bought for $300 plus mods. It never needs tuning, it's super accruate at long distance with Evil Paint, weighs nothing, I can walk it really fast, never breaks paint, no problems besides that it eats 9 V batteries as snacks.

But, I hardly ever use it.

I prefer my heavy and problematic AA\MM that I bought in 1994, with mods for about $2,500, and have recently dumped another $1,500 messing with it, based on all these forums, and the infinite combinations of springs, rings, barrels, barrel inserts, frames, bodies, tanks, tank valves, ASA, drops....

I'm seeking to build my perfect dream gun, but I haven't quite see the final vision yet.

I think it will be the a pneumag pump!!

[Tunaman]

I really dont know how that is the case. You are doing something wrong.

Absolutely right. Something is wrong. Out Gunned? I think not. Bring it on.