DYE out of business?

[ProblemKinder]

Actually it funny you mention this point. As the technology to manufacture advances, so does the technology to do so both more efficiently and cleanly.

BTW, im sure you 'herd', but there already is a perfectly clean, minimally polluting source of energy already available that the tree huggers have made it almost impossible to implement.

i actually laughed out loud when I read that. do you think that companies are taking it upon themselves to put money and resources into researching ways to do their work more cleanly? um, no. they're not. more efficiently maybe, just to lower their own costs, but they don't give a crap about doing it more cleanly, unless they have to give a crap (regulation).

companies will always do things as cheaply as legally possible, (and sometimes even cheaper, until they get caught).

[Ando]

do you think that companies are taking it upon themselves to put money and resources into researching ways to do their work more cleanly? um, no. they're not. more efficiently maybe, just to lower their own costs, but they don't give a crap about doing it more cleanly, unless they have to give a crap (regulation).

Reason why the EPA was created, to shove it down their throats to comply and fine them out their tails for not doing so...

Only thing with that is these few million dollar fines are a joke to these companies that make billions. That's one thing that needs changing.

companies will always do things as cheaply as legally possible, (and sometimes even cheaper, until they get caught).

or blow **** up... BP FTW

[BigEvil]

You guys are not getting it. You do NOT need a bureacracy of unelected do-gooders to establish legal guidelines. These officials are unaccountable to almost anyone, and this sort of regulating was meant to be left to the state (and later federal after the commerce clause) legislatures.

[M98Punk]

I've read most of this post and find it very interesting so I have reached into my pocket to pull out my $.02

I think that the free market is a great system, as is democracy even the quasi version America has. BUT the thing that screws the pooch is the lack of free neutral information. Even in the internet world it is very true for an unbiased report to get out and circulate. Not to mention the wonderful meme of, "I don't want the facts to get in the way of how I feel"

This nation has been bought and sold by big companies, I daresay that the framers never thought that a business would be able to buy and sell nations, but that is the situation we live in. I have no idea how to fix that problem BUT I think one way to help would be campaign finance reform, which gives people a chance to run and win an office without having to whore themselves out to the money holders. Maybe even elect an honest uncrazy politician now and again.

And on a final note we need to get some well directed shame back in this country! Seriously we have had what 3? generations of people living off welfare? These people need to be ridiculed and stigmatized. Harsh? Yes but come on, these people are parasites, am I bitter? Hell yes when I bust my *** and my wife works herself to the bone so we can pay our bills and student loans back and then I find out that some of my students get "income" and talk about it with pride, like the government is paying their parents to be awesome. They have no idea that it means their parents are so worthless they can't support their kids. Not to mention the dumb *** stuff they buy, kids have a new 360 and video games at the beginning of every month but never have clothes that fit.

Or when you hear about how much money they get to spend on buying food. Seriously when I found out that a woman with 3 kids gets almost $800 to spend a month on food... we are lucky to spend half that and we actually work. But we don't what to hurt their self esteem so we don't call them food-stamps anymore and look they have a cool debit card so they can feel like they are real citizens adding to society and participating in capitalism when in reality they are vultures wearing eagle skinned clothing

[cockerpunk]

You guys are not getting it. You do NOT need a bureacracy of unelected do-gooders to establish legal guidelines. These officials are unaccountable to almost anyone, and this sort of regulating was meant to be left to the state (and later federal after the commerce clause) legislatures.

that is just a cop-out though.

federal level, state level .... either one is government. plus most states do have more strict regulations then the EPA, i know the minnesota EPA has very very strict mercury regulations compared to down south bceasue of all the lakes we have. and why would you ever want to put this back in the hands of congress? i'd rather the regulations were written and inforced by those who know the science, not bumbling idiots who only care about election year and public opinion.

the point is, as bull sh*t as regulation is, we have to do it. i know, it sucks (i work for one the largest manufacturing companies in the world, believe me i know), but the dangers of attempting go without it are terrifying.

[Army]

Well, this thread has seriously jumped the tracks.