PTP Fascination

[going_home]

Why is it that some people are all gaga over any markers by Pro Team Products ?

I just dont get it, the Micromags, the Cockers, why ?

When you get past the anodizing (if the have other than black) they arent much IMHO.

Am I biased because of the 2009 Micromag debacle , or the one that happened over on custom cockers ?

[GoatBoy]

I invoke my "corn dog analogy" for situations like this.



Corn dogs are disgusting. They are a culinary perversion.

But sometimes, for some reason, you just want a corn dog. You regret it afterwards, but by that time, it's obviously too late.

I think it's essentially the same thing for some people with PTP products. For others, it's Tippmann products. They know better, but sometimes, they cave into the perversion.

We all gotta have our outlets, so as far as that goes, maybe it's not the worst thing ever.

[wetwrks]

The 2009 thing killed it for a lot of us. I was never big on the original Micromag with the integral barrel but took notice once they issued the models with the threaded barrels. Loved the different annos they did...but never owned one till just before they started offering the 2009 deal. Got in on that...still have it...still saddened that they didn't uphold their promises and that the product ended up basically junk.

[nak81783]

I would assume it's the same rationale given for splash Mags a while ago. When Autocockers and Automags were in their prime, there were all kinds of custom, private label, and special edition Cockers. Automags had fewer such options, so those looking for a little something different went to splash and PTP.

As for the MM2K9, doesn't Luke offer a machining service to make them not junk?

Edit: Nevermind. I see on his site the service was discontinued. I will always be curious what the fix was. And now why it was discontinued. Did it only work on some of the bodies?

[boo]

The ano on the PTP mags and cockers are works of art, literally, the guy that did them left PK select and is a full time artist. Never really understood the black and non pk select ones. Also, they are a pretty good deal for a railless cocker threaded mag. I've never been a fan of the stainless bodies mainly because ano options were pretty boring. Even the splash mags are ruined by having that big chrome body and in some cases a polymer frame.

Prices of mags in PK select ano are around $300, around $500 for the emags, and $400 for cockers. All less then what you'd pay for just the ano job to replicate the old PK select look.

They were liked up until that 2009 and then they followed that disaster with that pump sniper that had all sorts of issues with the ano and sc feed.

It's really interesting how a decent company can release **** products towards the end and tank the value of the earlier better quality products. Kind of like WDP and the A1, WGP with the trilogy and sr, and SP and the ion.

[MANN]

For the record I was banned for asking questions about ptp's quality when they built the last body. Beemer considered it trolling to point out their terrible tolerances. Sad thing is that iirc I was quoting Tunaman. I have owned several PTP Emags. Most had problems.

[Tunaman]

For the record I was banned for asking questions about ptp's quality when they built the last body. Beemer considered it trolling to point out their terrible tolerances. Sad thing is that iirc I was quoting Tunaman. I have owned several PTP Emags. Most had problems.

Most...if not all had some problems. You are correct.

[luke]

Did it only work on some of the bodies?

As far as I know I was able to increase velocity on the ones I did.

I will always be curious what the fix was. And now why it was discontinued.

For very specific (NON-selfish) reasons I have chosen to keep the info to myself. However, I will say I just want to distance myself from the MM2K9 and that I'm not really interested in the "mod" market. I will will always offer some services, just not looking to expand it any further than it is. Actually I have been trimming the mods for sometime now.

[correia3]

The anno patterns are beautiful but the actual lines and features of the products never spoke to me. I would equate the pretty anno to the old saying "putting lipstick on a pig".

[Sk8ermog]

For me it was a nostalgia thing. Always wanted a micromag from seeing their ads in APG and one of my friends in highschool had one.

This is my first Micromag, which turned out to be rare because the feedneck is on the reversed side. Still looking to buy this gun back.



Once I got my first Micromag I was hooked. They take cocker barrels and the body/rail are one piece. Seemed like a no brainer to me.

About 2 years ago I started on a mission to own every gun and product that PTP ever made. I came pretty close...

http://www.pbase.com/rgunn4/ptp_museum

So after having more PTP products then Forest (owner of PTP) currently has... I choose to pair down to just 2 Micromags and a PTP cocker.

I sold off a lot of my guns because I wanted to focus on other projects since I pretty much accomplished what I set out to do and I felt it was time to move on. I'm sure I'll buy more PTP guns down the road.

As for issues with PTP... I've only ever had a problem with a MM2K9 not fitting a xvalve till LUKE milled it for me. It also didn't fit my hyperframe so I sold it off.

I now have this project with Caustic Customs and hope to make it my primary mech/electro.



Needless to say I am a fan of PTP products.

[Spider-TW]

I would applaud PTP's marketing enthusiasm and machining capability, but I have not had much luck with their shipping, and their quality control problems are apparent. If I have one of their products in hand and working, I find them pretty nice and relatively worthy. I prefer a used PTP product to ordering a new one. Many of their designs I don't like, but I don't hold that against them.

I don't get it either. They have a lot of stuff that works, so I've assumed that there is some personal preference in there. ....it could be like a corndog indeed....I'll try to remember that next time I have one, maybe with some Dr. Pepper.

[vintage]

i own 4 now and it was the anno that first attracted me to them and will be the reason i buy any more. i've used the black one and other than having to change loaders due to a double feed problem i've had no real problems with it.

[going_home]

Most...if not all had some problems. You are correct.

I didn't want to mention your past comments about them but now it's evident.

[BigEvil]

Starting a thread with anything "PTP" in the title is like putting up the batsignal for Ross

[Nobody]

I too don't understand the fascination with them. Before the advent of ULE bodies. The cocker threading was a benefit, but now i see them as cool anno but antiquated. They are heavy, even heavier with a classic valve. Plus, the double trigger frames or just benchmark frames in general are or have a poor safety design(always coming out when you least expect it) and the tolerances have a lot to be desired, compared to intelliframes.

Eh, different strokes for different folks. Guess me not wanting them means more of a chance for those that do.