Hybrid RTP Rails

[jbtamu1011]

LUKE!!!! The Hybrid Slimline rail looks so much better in person, the pictures don't do it justice. Great job on the rail and thanks for the quick turnaround. Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out when I get it anodized.

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Yes the Hybrid Slimline looks so great in person!! I got the 9.1in version my minimag I'm piecing together. How does one go about selecting an anodize that will suit?!? That's such a tough part of the build. I can't decide!!

[luke]

I'm officially discontinuing my Automag and RTP rails as of today. From here forward I will only be manufacturing Hybrid style rails.
Thanks for all the orders to help me phase these out.

[jbtamu1011]

I'm officially discontinuing my Automag and RTP rails as of today. From here forward I will only be manufacturing Hybrid style rails.
Thanks for all the orders to help me phase these out.

I think you have a winner with the hybrids.

[Gundam V]

Yes the Hybrid Slimline looks so great in person!! I got the 9.1in version my minimag I'm piecing together. How does one go about selecting an anodize that will suit?!? That's such a tough part of the build. I can't decide!!

That's the fun part that you can agonize over. Personally, I think an acid wash anodize would go nicely. Now you see why peeps can have multiple mags, cause it's so hard choosing just one.

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[Gundam V]

I'm officially discontinuing my Automag and RTP rails as of today. From here forward I will only be manufacturing Hybrid style rails.
Thanks for all the orders to help me phase these out.

It's a rail that works and looks good as well as works with any body style. Is there any reason to keep two separate lines? This keeps it nice and simple having 1 rail style rather than 2.

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[luke]

It's a rail that works and looks good as well as works with any body style. Is there any reason to keep two separate lines? This keeps it nice and simple having 1 rail style rather than 2.

From a production and inventory stand point definitely not. Also, with all the various T-Rex builds I've done I found that the Automag sears are definitely slower than the RTP sear builds. I understand why AGD may want to support the AM line but comparing my numbers on what sells best its a no brainer, and so lopsided in fact that making the decision is pretty easy. That said, the Wave rail design sold very well but it was only available with the AM sear design. I'll get around to a Hybrid Wave rail sometime next year..

[Nobody]

I couldn't disagree more with those statements, so much so that I have no interest in a discussion about it with you. You're more than a little wrong about adjustable shocks, obviously you're not a car guy or into motor sports based on your view. There's plenty of information out there if you actually want to understand why they exist.

You can label this new rail design in or out of spec, it makes no difference to me, it's little more than a trivial point of view. I'm sure there are a few Emag guys that are happy that they have access to old designs that have never been available for the Emag, plus any new designs that will eventually come along. Adjusting the solenoid is an irrelevant price to pay for some guys and those that worry about making the adjustment can skip the rail all together, that's okay too.

I've only built a half dozen vehicles but you didn't know that. Obviously, you are taking the literal sense not the figurative, as yes adjusting the shocks for the higher end vehicles or applications can and does make a difference, but i am alluding more to the fact that you pick up the emag and play, not monkey with it, taking it apart, to make some adjustment. Having adjustability and needing adjustability are 2 totally different and separate things. Look at PE and their lack of LPRs on the ego line. Fully adjustable down to no adjustment.

But it only seems that you'll talk only to those that fluff up your ego, tell you that you do no wrong and everything you do is "awesome". You take what i may have to say, as pure hatred, which it is not. I have and will call a spade a spade, when i see something i question, i ask. You think i do this because i want to, i like to do it. I don't. I actually want you to better yourself and your products. Hell, make something i want and i will buy it. Then you can make me eat crow all day, every day for it.

[luke]

but i am alluding more to the fact that you pick up the emag and play, not monkey with it, taking it apart, to make some adjustment. Having adjustability and needing adjustability are 2 totally different and separate things. Look at PE and their lack of LPRs on the ego line. Fully adjustable down to no adjustment.

That argument makes no sense, if you switch to a Hybrid rail you adjust the solenoid plunger once and your done. Why in the world would you insinuate other wise?

But it only seems that you'll talk only to those that fluff up your ego, tell you that you do no wrong and everything you do is "awesome". You take what i may have to say, as pure hatred, which it is not. I have and will call a spade a spade, when i see something i question, i ask. You think i do this because i want to, i like to do it. I don't.

This is the exact reason I have no patience for you and have no desire to have a dialog with you. You argue points with no merit. You try to pick apart every decision I make in regard design and engineering. You have it in your mind that I somehow need to clarify everything I do with you, like its your right somehow. This idea that I'm looking to have my ego stroked is absurd and something you say just to get a rise out of me. Based on your track record with me, I've come to the conclusion that all you really want is to stir the pot. Throwing insults back and forth is very easy, practicing restraint is the hard part.

I actually want you to better yourself and your products. Hell, make something i want and i will buy it. Then you can make me eat crow all day, every day for it.

Man that's conceded to say the least and there in lies the problem between us. It honestly doesn't matter to me if you like my parts or not, I know a great deal of people don't, and that's okay. I've said this to you before, but I'll say it again, I design and manufacture parts I like and if I'm lucky there are other people out there with similar tastes. This is not a corporate business model where the target is the largest customer base possible, that has never been my motivation. Buy my parts or not, I'm good with it either way.

[jbtamu1011]

[mobsterboy]

but i am alluding more to the fact that you pick up the emag and play, not monkey with it, taking it apart, to make some adjustment. Having adjustability and needing adjustability are 2 totally different and separate things. Look at PE and their lack of LPRs on the ego line. Fully adjustable down to no adjustment.

That argument makes no sense, if you switch to a Hybrid rail you adjust the solenoid plunger once and your done. Why in the world would you insinuate other wise?

Asking as an Emag noob: is the plunger adjustment something that needs to be done a lot? I know I've almost never needed to adjust my am/mm or rt pro sear arm length, so maybe I'm just not as experienced in the emag department.

[luke]

You really have to ask yourself what the argument is actually about, does Nobody really want me to discontinue the Hybrid Rail line and dump 100 slug rails in the recycle bin all over a simple adjustment? Bottom line is the plunger adjustment argument is just silly and little more than pot stirring and most everyone here knows it.

If you look at the Automag platform as a whole and compare the plunger adjustment in that equation, it's no more difficult than anything else associated with Auto Mags, NEW yes, but not difficult. On a scale of 1-10 (10 being the hardest) the solenoid plunger adjustment would be a 2, and it gets that because you need a set of calipers.

Tunaman, AGD and myself are aware of the adjustment, and I'm sure Big Evil will get wind of it soon enough. So the 3 big Automag tech guys (Tunaman, AGD, BigEvil) can easily handle this adjustment and I'll do the adjustment for free with the purchase of a Hybrid rail. Quit frankly I would wager that the biggest percentage of AOers can handle this without blinking an eye.

This too wiil be absorbed into the Automag culture and will become common knowledge as everything else has.

Moving on...

[Loguzzzzzz]

The plunger length seams to be to be an oversight or mistake in your design which probably only came to light when someone put a Hybrid rail on an Emag and it didn't function. This is the reason for designing to SPEC. This makes a part purely interchangeable. It is certainly your prerogative to design how you see fit.. This disclaimer at this juncture makes it appear to be a design flaw that you didn't consider or else it would have been addressed in the OP! Now that it is out there when an Emag owner wants to switch from his / her Hybrid rail to any other rail that has been produced in the history of MAGDOM he / she will have an adjustment to be made where one has never been made before!

Please just admit it was an oversight (like it was) and move on! There plenty of aftermarket part in many other forms (e.g. hobbies, sports...) that take place when NON STOCK parts in installed but those are USUALLY stated in the installation instructions not months after introduction of said parts because a flaw in the design was found!

[luke]

That's partly true and I have no problem saying so. When I first started down this path on the new design that was one of the first things I saw as being a potential problem. As the idea, designs and prototyping progressed it slipped my mind. But it wasn't a deterrent then or now. One of my first customers found performance issues with the Emag and I knew right away what it was. He's a newbie and didn't want to adjust the plunger so he's returning the rail for a refund. Emags are a very small part of the AGD line and I have no intention of changing the design just for Emags.

I have no intention of changing or dumping this line now or on future production runs because to make a shorter rail with the RTP sear this is the result. Take it or leave it.

[mobsterboy]

You really have to ask yourself what the argument is actually about, does Nobody and Mobsterboy really want me to discontinue the Hybrid Rail line and dump 100 slug rails in the recycle bin all over a simple adjustment? Bottom line is the plunger adjustment argument is just silly and little more than pot stirring and most everyone here knows it.

Not sure where you came up with this. I was merely asking a question to the general public about plunger adjustment frequency, for my own knowledge.

Kindly remove my name from your rant here.

[luke]

I reread your comment and I took it wrong. But saying my statements are a rant is silly.