Hybrid RTP Rails

[luke]

To put it mildly, it makes no sense to have everything to spec in an entire line of parts but 1 part. A specification that was provided by the manufacturer (or copied, not getting into semantics here) so that anyone could make something, so that part can work with everything. Yes the RT valve and body are effectively proprietary but notice AGD returned to modularity with the Emag, RT Pro? So, you can part swap from a classic mag, pump mag, minimag, Emag, RT Pro, and all the other body, valve, frame and rail combos, except this. Now i have been meaning to pick up a digital caliper for myself, but haven't gotten a cheap one even. So should everyone have to? You now would have to buy the rail, and a $50 set of calipers? What about 2nd hand buyers. Should they have to remember that this rail, if used upon an Emag, needs to have a digital caliper included with purchase?

It is far easier to stay in spec and work around that, so everyone can use these rails, many more years down the road, than having to worry about 5thousandths of an inch. I have a feeling that this kind of warranty work will go to the wayside from Luke, nor would i want to not be able to use my Emag for 3 weeks or more as it is shuffled off to Luke, in the mail over 5thousandths of an inch...

For the record the plunger is shortened by 0.0714"

The following list is what dictates the operating specifications of an Automag rail. It does NOT matter what the platform is, Automag, RTP or Emag.

1. Thumb and front grip frame screw, size and spacing.
2. Valve lock groove, location, width and depth (If the rail has one)
3. Recess body mount cavity. Location, depth and width.
4. Twist lock pin, location and size.
5. Foregrip mount provisions
6. Rail bushing compatible
7. Sear pin size and location. Dimensions must be based off the thumb and front screw holes. Height based off the bottom of the body.
8. Proper size cavity for the body to sit in.

The Emag solenoid has it own operating spec independent of the rail. Proper spacing between the sear pin and solenoid body is achieved by adjusting the plunger.
This is the very definition of modular. Adjusting the plunger in no way disqualifies it from that designation.


I'm still trying to figure out what you're trying to get out of this argument?

[Nobody]

I never once said I was a hobbyist, in fact this has never been a hobby, this is how I make my living. But I'm not driven by corporate greed or mind set.

Then it is asinine on making products that you only want to make. You can not truly say where one market will go but you can certainly make intelligent conclusions as to what people want or could want. The more people buy, the more you can live by it. Having a product line that is sustainable then can afford you a basis to which to build off of.

No one is saying greed, or flooding the market, but come out with something that does not inflate your ego(only making stuff you like) and is a benefit of the community, that we need, like new bodies.

[Nobody]

That's more than a little presumptuous to say the least, there is no way you would know what my customer base is.

I am a customer. I am part of your base. This is why we get together as a community on this forum to show, discuss this thing called paintball. It is very simple. Look at what people are building, look at what you can do, put the 2 together and come out with something better than what is out there. Hell, with XMT being shut down, i would be putting out a body, instead of trying to reinvent the rail.

[luke]

You are not a customer, but you do have a knack for reassigning meaning to sentences that you don't have a come back for.

[luke]

Just ordered the 9" one, but I think my pump chord would look better on the smaller 8" rail. Any chance you are going to make one?

I didn't really have plans to do an 8" version but I can. :)

[luke]

I'll need the length measurements, preferably pulled from center line of the thumb screw and front grip screw holes, forward and back. Unless its either a standard 8 or 9 inch rail. (I'm definitely not going to do both, there's way too much work in this design)

If anyone wants one of these speak up. I'll probably only make these once, they wont be a stock item, and I doubt I'll make extras...

I'd be in on a Deco rail

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[luke]

Just ordered the 9" one, but I think my pump chord would look better on the smaller 8" rail. Any chance you are going to make one?

Hey ElGringo, I reviewed the CAD and the change really isn't that much work and I dont have a problem adding it to my standard inventory list. So hit me up if you decide you want one.

[Apathetic_Chaos]

I'll need the length measurements, preferably pulled from center line of the thumb screw and front grip screw holes, forward and back. Unless its either a standard 8 or 9 inch rail. (I'm definitely not going to do both, there's way too much work in this design)

If anyone wants one of these speak up. I'll probably only make these once, they wont be a stock item, and I doubt I'll make extras...




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Personally I'd be good with a standard 8" rail, though personally I would love to see the front portion converted into a picatinny style section. But either way I'll be in for one

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[luke]

The over-all design is really up to JBF since its his vision, the only changes I'll make to the final design are little ones that are tooling and machining related. The basic idea is really a little to complicated to offer variations so you guys need to settle on a single design and I'll pick it up from there. :)

Side note:
I'll deal with the design around the sear pin since I have the specs on what is the cleanest way to deal with it.

[Nobody]

You are not a customer, but you do have a knack for reassigning meaning to sentences that you don't have a come back for.

I play paintball. I buy stuff, ergo i am a customer. Just because i never bought anything from you, only means that you have never had anything i wanted.

Here, you want another part you could design? How about a pump kit? Pump rods, mounting blocks, pump handles. All in one kit or by pieces. There is always a call for it, you can even vary the mounting block to include a vert adapter, foregrip or even clean with no attachment. Since you always get calls for pump milling on your rails, why not have an all in one kit? Only makes sense. Love to see your version of that...

[luke]

I'm not interested in making pump kits or parts, but you may eventually see a complete pump marker from me.

[Loguzzzzzz]

I'm not interested in making pump kits or parts, but you may eventually see a complete pump marker from me.

Would this be completely your design including the valve or would it be an automag variant?

[luke]

Would this be completely your design including the valve or would it be an automag variant?

I'm not ready to elaborate any further at this time, it's way to soon. :)

[awo702]

Hybrid RTP Rails

If anyone wants an 8" Slimline chime in.

[luke]

If anyone wants an 8" Slimline chime in.

I do need to make more of the 9" ones so I'll do the 8" version too while I'm at it. I'll work them in this week sometime. Thanks