AGD Shot Turd!!!!!

[manike]

LMAO, if you don't have the ability to read or at least understand what you read and see the bigger picture, then none of us can help you, and you are not worth our effort. May I suggest high school again?

Proven wrong by default? if you wish to think that way go ahead. Wow, your attitude smacks of a kid sticking his fingers in his ears and whining 'nah nah nah I can't hear you therefore I am right'.

When you want to join the real world come back for a discussion :) Until then you aren't worth my effort or time. Paintball is. You are not.

manike

[manike]

p.s. Jenadin I have just re-read all your posts (all 4 took me a long time...) And I have to say you haven't added anything worth while, or of value to this discussion in the slightest. Please try to make a valuable point or contribution rather than just adding to the ignorance. We are already very familiar with that side of this discussion :)

manike

[Jenadin]

"Until then you aren't worth my effort or time."

moments later....

"and another thing I'm right because of the quantity
of my posts..."


you've been caught wiping again, by Jenadin

[hitech]

Originally posted by Jenadin
Well, I am still waiting and neither of you have yet to establish a causal link between the destruction of paintball as we know it, and a publicity stunt.

Paintball HAS BEEN BANNED BEFORE. That would be the destruction of paintball for those it affected. While this "publicity stunt" didn't contribute, those supporting the ban would have had a field day...

[Jenadin]

What happened in the past is almost completely irrelevent to what causal effect todays actions will have on the future. Ideas that must operate under the premise "would have" make little sense in a universe governed by only one contiguous time line. Everything is constantly in some state of change and unspecified. One should appreciate this before he/she argues furiously about the impact of this video in a society that can accurately be understood as an extremely complex arrangement of memes, or not be suprised if labeled as a mad prophet. For all anyone knows, this video is just as likely to ultimately have positive effects on your right to play paintball. I'm the one who needs to go to school though, so what do I know? I can't see the "big picture" like you.

[Butterfingers]

The unedited video (perhaps not the new one) could be used as a tool against paintball legally and psycologically. In plain and simple english it makes the sport look bad to the people that dont play it or know very little about it, this includes politicians and anti-paintball advocates.

If you fail to see how a video of a person being pelted at 20 BPS screaming stop and cussing his brains out does not have bad implications for the sport you need to re-evaluate your "causal anlalysis."

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You write: "What happened in the past is almost completely irrelevent to what causal effect todays actions will have on the future. Ideas that must operate under the premise "would have" make little sense in a universe governed by only one contiguous time line. Everything is constantly in some state of change and unspecified. One should appreciate this before he/she argues furiously about the impact of this video in a society that can accurately be understood as an extremely complex arrangement of memes, or not be suprised if labeled as a mad prophet. For all anyone knows, this video is just as likely to ultimately have positive effects on your right to play paintball. I'm the one who needs to go to school though, so what do I know? I can't see the "big picture" like you."

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I can summarize this into a sentence or two it is best to be concise in your writing...

What happens int he past has little to do with what will happen in the future... There are alot of factors that effect the future.... You can't candy up your language as well as I can, am I confusing you yet?

Let me tell you thats a load of crap... You can't predict the future to a tee but sometimes you can make a pretty good guess of what is going to happen following a certain action.

Thats like saying if I assault the president I don't know if the secret service will put a couple of dozen bullets in my butt... cause there are a "extremely complex assortment of memes" that effect the future. And me assualting the president could be a good thing, it may even win me an invitation the white house... But hey you never know.

What happens in the past definately has an effect on what decisions people make in the future. If you steal things people are going to make laws against stealing things. If cigarette smoking is proven to cause cancer there are people who will want to outlaw tobacco. If drugs are proven to cause social problems there will be a law against drugs. If hanguns are proven to kill people there are going to be laws against handguns. If paintball is proven to injure people there could be restrictions against paintball. We don't need any additional ammunition that can restrict paintball.

Please try not to jargon up your language so much trying to make yourself sound smart to get your point (or lack of a point) across. Looking real carefully through your posts you have made no point under all that jargon.

[raehl]

So...

You're saying that there's no way to predict the effect an event will have on the future course of events, that every action's consequences are just a roll of the dice?

That's ridiculous. If you stop going to work, they'll probably fire you, if you always drive 40 MPH over the speed limit, you'll end up getting a ticket, and if you make videos like this available, they will come back to be used to ban paintball.

While I commend your use of big words, they don't make your logic any more valid. That video has no redeeming positive value for paintball, its availability has a pile of negative consequences for paintball. It may or may not have positive consequences for AGD, depending on how the ability of the video to promote the sale of AGD product stacks up against the video causing people like me to no longer buy AGD products, encourage others to no longer purchase AGD products, and restrict the use of AGD products.

This is a case where acting to prevent the problem from appearing necessitates eliminating the proof that the problem would have appeared without such action. The only way to prove my point of view right would be to not act and allow bans to come into effect, at which point all we'd be able to do is say "hah, told you so" - so I'll have to be content never being proven right and just actually BE right.

What you are arguing is like arguing we don't need to hydrotest tanks every three years because none of the tanks we've been hydrotesting are rupturing. "There's no problem, so our actions to prevent problems are obviously worthless" is just plain stupid.

It is perfectly reasonable to collect information about past events and consequences and apply them to present decisions to determine probable consequences. And past experience strongly indicates that this video is bad - choosing to stick your head in the sand and pretend otherwise for no reason (you have yet to provide any reasoning beyond simply saying it isn't true) does not change that.

Regardless, you have yet to provide any example of circumstances under which this video would benefit paintball - other than your unsupported opinion at any rate.


- Chris

[Jenadin]

"This is a case where acting to prevent the problem from appearing necessitates eliminating the proof that the problem would have appeared without such action. The only way to prove my point of view right would be to not act and allow bans to come into effect, at which point all we'd be able to do is say "hah, told you so" - so I'll have to be content never being proven right and just actually BE right."

I'm sorry. Your offer for attempting to provide proof that
you are right by virtue of the above paradoxial proclaimation has been regected!
I'm going to try and help you. You are not taking full advantage of a potential win win situation here: In your mind, if paintball now continues unharmed, you were right because you (almost single handedly) prevented its demise, and if it fails, you can take solace in "I told you so". You should honestly reconsider and adopt that position.
In the meantime while you are making your decision, I'll be here if you need me.

[shartley]

Jenadin

I'm going to try and help you. You are not taking full advantage of a potential win win situation here: In your mind, if paintball now continues unharmed, you were right because you (almost single handedly) prevented its demise, and if it fails, you can take solace in "I told you so". You should honestly reconsider and adopt that position.

In the meantime while you are making your decision, I'll be here if you need me.

[BTAutoMag]

but it was with the persons consent that he was shot. so they are going to have a hissy fit for shooting someone with a non lethal paintball marker who said ok shoot me?
they dont have an argument if no damage was done and the guy gave his consent

[Clare]

wow, some people put the thesaurus to good use!!

[Jenadin]

Well lets see, we appear to have a handful of doomsayers here of differing intensity. One argued that he was right because "he has never been wrong about his predictions". Another claimed that since some things appear to be predictable, then it directly follows that "this video will get paintball banned". Yet another claimed that I'm stupid so he's automatically deemed right by default. Recently there appears to be a movement to project inflated opinions about their own intelligence and insite into yours truely. I come here, find a few people claiming the sky is falling, call them on it, and this is the thanks I get? Come on guys, you've got to be able to do better than "I am right because I think I'm right"!

[shartley]

Well lets see, we appear to have a handful of doomsayers here of differing intensity. One argued that he was right because "he has never been wrong about his predictions".

Another claimed that since some things appear to be predictable, then it directly follows that "this video will get paintball banned".

Again you are wrong, that is NOT what was said in full context of the posts. Yet another good example of you taking what you want and seeing what you want.. even if that is NOT what was said, how it was said, or even close to it.

Yet another claimed that I'm stupid so he's automatically deemed right by default.

Recently there appears to be a movement to project inflated opinions about their own intelligence and insite into yours truely.

I come here, find a few people claiming the sky is falling, call them on it, and this is the thanks I get? Come on guys, you've got to be able to do better than "I am right because I think I'm right"!

[raehl]

Hey!

I never said that paintball not getting banned proves I'm right. I said that acting to prevent the chance that the video could be used to help ban paintball means we'll never be able to show that the video would have been used to help ban paintball. Allowing someone to demonstrate that the video can in fact be used to help ban paintball is EXACTLY what we're trying to prevent from happening.

Although making up a point I never said and then rejecting it was worth a good laugh.

As for Turd consenting to get shot, that doesn't matter: You have to view the video not from your paintball-informed perspective, but from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about paintball - no, worse, from the perspective of someone who THINKS they know something about paintball, is WRONG, but becomes even more convinced they are right due to this video of a paintball marker used in extraordinary circumstances with the context of those circumstances removed. If the video were to be used against us, it would not be used in a rational, informative manner - it would be used in an irrational, inaccurate, emotional demonstration.

And I'm not using a thesaurus. I'm just that good.

- Chris

[Jenadin]

So now we are getting somewhere! If I'm understanding you , your anxiety boils down to your insecurity about not being able to rationally defend this video against some uniformed irrational individual?