AGD Shot Turd!!!!!

[izecold7]

I could be wrong but isn't all this mostly used as a tool so AGD won't fall behind in Marketing. Well why don't you instead of show the great power of full-auto E-mag. Show the power of the semi-auto Automag RT. After all there will be alot of tourny players there and they are not allowed full-auto, but a fast semi like the RT would catch their eyes. Also one of the greatest thing about the Automags were the ability to be customized, so how about selling some more accesories for them. Heres an example of WGP's marketing, about 2 or more difforent ads in APG a month. One with the gun stock and one with the same gun loaded with who knows what. AGD not as many ads and the RT on a plain background and it says what it is capable of, but dosent screem if I have this i'm a pro or at least look like one. Take the RT put some powder coated bodies, some annodized bodies, a selection of double triggers, a well-known barrel, shorten the foregrip rail, colored everthing or just a chrome it up. Who needs full auto if most tourneys require semi. Also it would not be fun to play against someone with 20bps full-auto. And i'm not even metioning the semi power of the E-mag. Let the world know the semi-auto power of all the mags.

P.S. Isn't it better to get shot by a skilled player using a pump, than a rich kid using a Full-auto.

[Rooster]

A common occurance around here in the morning zoo show to invite the local paintball shop owner to come and shoot the stunt guy while he's doing varrious things. Now you can stamp your feet, complain, what ever you want, but publicity = sales, even bad publicity. This guy gets extra sales after every stunt becuase of the free plugs he gets after the bit.

And if ten years old Bobby's mommy doesn't want him getting a paintball gun, great! I wouldn't let my ten year old little brother play with me or my team because I have concerns for his safety. Its the people that do get gun who are inexperienced and that end up getting hurt cuasing problems for paintball. Its the kid that convinces his scared mother to get him a gun that im worried about, becuase he will get hurt. That is the nature of the game. And when he does get hurt, scared mom becomes overprotective mom.

Paintball is not a sport for everyone. Blood gets drawn, people get hurt. I'm not going to pull any punches when im playing to satisfy some ten year old's mother, and i sure don't expect people promoting the things i use to do so either.

The prime demographic for AGD listens to Mancow. Thats the same demographic that drops thousands of doallrs on a glorified toy. If that demographic finds the promotion funny or interesting, then that is all that matters, and I'd just assume ten year old Bobby didn't have a FA emag anyways.

[spazzed]

I whole-heartedly agree w/ ya rooster. Couldn't have said it any better myself. Bravo!

[vantrepes]

IMO, the clip should be removed.

It was a stunt, we know that. The guy didn't get hurt, we know that. But do you think the people that want to get rid of paintball are going to show the full clip? Don't hold your breath, you don't look good in blue.

If this is ever used to prove how "bad" paintball is, the only thing they will use is a couple of seconds where he is being drilled. Nothing before it, and sure as hell, not the shot of how his gut looked after it. They might use a nice still shot of the shirt torn the shreds, but that's about it.

A local radio show did the same type of thing at a local field, and it turned out almost as bad. They wanted crank the gun up "as high as it will go, I want it to hurt when it hits him". Even shooting normal speeds, the guy screemed like a wounded cat, and made a huge show of what we deal with every time we play.

Unless you can control the end result, I wouldn't trust a radio show to make our sport look good. All they want is something to boost their ratings.

[tsc]

It may have been good in the short term for advertising, but in the long term for the veiw of the sport it was stupid. Radio audiences aren't going to get the full story. They're going to hear screaming and cussing, and assume that it's not a gimmick.

(pssttt..Hi vant! this is TSC )

[Shaft]

Originally posted by vantrepes
IMO, the clip should be removed.

Hey, what's up Van. Welcome aboard. Your website rules. The little I do know about Autocockers is from your site.

[Rooster]

While I'm in a ranting mood, im going to start into my next one. I'm am sick and tired of the goggle nazis complaining everytime they see someone playing paintball without eye protection. Now if its minors playing, they have a right to be concerned. But i'm an adult. If I want to sit here and take a spoon, jamb it into my eye, and pop my eye out, i can do that. If I want to ride a motocycle without a helmet, in ohio, i can do that. If i want to play paintball withour eye protection, i can do that. Its my life, my eyes, and my decision. I'm an adult, i get to make that call. If you want to compalin about setting a bad example, then i guess you better ban alchohol and cigerettes as well, becuase adult using those sets a bad example as well. Adults set bad exaples all the time, and im sure not going to be somebodies role-model. So you goggle nazis can be secure in the knowledge that you will never have to worry about getting your eye shot out. Leave everyone else above the age of 18 alone, its none of your business.

[raehl]

While you're ranting...

Let me rant about people who think that because they're adults they can do whatever they want without any regard to the long term consequences of their actions that affect everyone else.

Sure, can you go play without goggles and get your eye shot out if you want to? Yes. When the story hits your local paper that someone lost an eye while playing paintball, is that going to make it more difficult for fields in the area to stay open/have events, for kids to get their parents to let them play, for schools to have paintball clubs? Absolutely. It doesn't matter that you were being a dumbass when you lost your eye, people are just going to read that someone lost an eye playing paintball, and assume that if you could do it, they or their children could as well.

Honestly, sometimes I think I should just shut up and let one of these paintball ban laws pass just so dumbasses like you understand that your ability to play exists about >< that far from being taken away from you, because I am frankly sick of having to clean up the messes you "I can do whatever I want" people create while I'm trying preserve your right to continue to make more messes for people like me to clean up. Your stupidity regularly threatens my ability to play, and that pisses me off.

You don't get rights alone, they come with responsibilities. Unfortunately, being an adult doesn't necessarily make you an intelligent adult. But seeing as paintball players do represent pretty much every facet of the population, I guess it isn't realistic to expect the dumbasses of the population to not be included.


As for full auto, I think it's cool. I don't think it's cool enough to justify having it. I'm not going to get into the reasoning here because I don't want to give anyone any ideas, but manufacturing devices that can fire projectiles in fully automatic mode is a VERY dangerous thing, and something we should stop doing.


- Chris

[manike]

Chris I agree with you completely.

I don't care if some 'adult idiot' wants to wear dangerous goggles or none at all and gets shot in the eye, it's a stupid choice they are free to make if they keep such actions to themselves. I believe in Darwinism, BUT I do care if that situation gets used against our sport or becomes part of a demographic which makes paintball look unsafe.

I also care if minors see images or such pictures and thus think it's safe to do the same without realising that the 'adult' was being an idiot. I'm very dissapointed that Tom did it because there are a lot of minors here who idealise him and thus may be tempted to follow him. Why did so many of them complain about the oddysey videos with no proper safety equipement but then think it ok in this situation? Maybe because it's one of their idols?

Rooster, be an idiot, but don't let anyone who can be lead astray see you, don't let yourself become a demographic to be used against our sport, and don't whinge, whine, complain or go to hospital if you get shot in the eye. It was after all 'your choice'. And if your stupid choice ever impacts on the sport I care so much about, you'd better believe I'm going to let you know you are a dumbass.

manike

[Rooster]

I got news for you partner, everything is >< this close to getting banned. People want to ban football and boxing, people want to ban motorcycle riding, people want to ban gun ownership. There is always someone with a stick up their butt about something. I'm not going to live my life trying to stay in their good graces.

Whoever is trying to divine these tactics to keep paintball in the publics good graces is an idiot. Your best friend should be the NRA. They represent the one sport that has constitutional protection, and they have enough throw to control the election of officials in many districts.

And if someone gets a paintball ban pushed through, it gets a big whoopde-do from me. I'll play paintball on my land whenever i please. The fact is the very nature of the game involves people getting hurt. People will continue to get hurt. And until the ignorant parents of ignorant children stop buying them paintball guns and turning them lose, their ignorant parents are going to be pushing for ingorant laws to cover up their own ignorance. Ranting and raving about google use isn't going to change that. It isn't going to stop anti-paintball zealots. And no matter how many colors and nifty names you give it, paintball is a war game, and anti-violence people will hate it, just like they hate boxing.

These anti-violence people want publicitiy, they want people to listen to them, and you are kind enough to oblige them. I say thay can go straight to downstairs.

The only person that threatens your right to play, is you. I'm not going to be stopped by unconstitutional laws, especially when I'm playing on my own property. And as far as responsibility, if i drink till im nearly blind and jump behind the wheel of a car, thats a big problem. If i want to drink myself blind and not hurt anyone else by driving, i can do that. Someone else might feel full face protection is over-rated, and play with saftey glasses. As long as its themselves they are putting in danger, and not others, then you have no right to say whats responsible and whats not. Just like I can drink myself blind and as long as i don't drive, the only person in danger, is myself.

You would have been great friends with the temperance ladies, trying to dictate to others how they should live, and treat their own bodies.

[raehl]

<chuckle>

I really hope you're never in the position to find out how wrong you really are.

If paintball gets banned, it won't matter if you plan on abiding by the laws or not - you won't have any markers or paint to buy to play, or if you do, it'll be so incredibly expensive it won't be worth it. Although, for example, if the people in Baltimore have their way, you'll be not abiding by the laws from the inside of a jail cell.

If you don't want to be responsible, fine, but don't try and act like there's any reason for it beyond your own selfishness.

- Chris

[shartley]

And until the ignorant parents of ignorant children stop buying them paintball guns and turning them lose, their ignorant parents are going to be pushing for ingorant laws to cover up their own ignorance. Ranting and raving about google use isn't going to change that.

[Rooster]

Over ten years ago ski goggles were eye and a face protection. People who cared about their eyes wore them, those that didn't, wore some type of saftey glasses. They also wore alot of camo, and face painting was the norm. Some of those people are still playing the same way they were then. Why should these people change their way of play, and the way they dress becuase of public preasure? I don't play that style of game anymore, and since my sight is important to me, i do wear full face protection. That doesn't change my opinion that adults have the right to choose how they dress to play when they are planning on playing on private property. Of course field owners have the right to tell people how to dress when they come onto the owners property, its their property afterall.


i'm not sure what you call well regualted, but boxing isn't. Its full of fixed matches and rampant cheating. But lets look at another quasi-sport, like professional wrestling. That is a sport that has adults building rings and doing extremely dangerous moves on each other. Now should all those adults have to wear protective gear beacuse one of them might get their neck snapped? Should someone tell them how to behave when wrestling on their private propety? People have died wrestling, and yet i havn't seen it banned anywhere.

There are no fingers to point here, however, becuase there is no problem with paintball. There are overzellous parents and lawmakers trying to pass unconstituational laws in an attempt to show their teeth. And as far as sitting in jail, i have no problem using civil disobedience to violate an unconstitutional law. And maybe you should talk to Dr. Martain Luther King Jr. about not having any voice while sitting in jail.

The Baltimore paintball ban will not hold water and will be stricken down by the first legal challenge it sees. And it will only show what buffoons the city council was for ever even trying to act on it.

[shartley]

Over ten years ago ski goggles were eye and a face protection. People who cared about their eyes wore them, those that didn't, wore some type of saftey glasses. They also wore alot of camo, and face painting was the norm. Some of those people are still playing the same way they were then. Why should these people change their way of play, and the way they dress becuase of public preasure? I don't play that style of game anymore, and since my sight is important to me, i do wear full face protection. That doesn't change my opinion that adults have the right to choose how they dress to play when they are planning on playing on private property. Of course field owners have the right to tell people how to dress when they come onto the owners property, its their property afterall.

i'm not sure what you call well regualted, but boxing isn't. Its full of fixed matches and rampant cheating. But lets look at another quasi-sport, like professional wrestling. That is a sport that has adults building rings and doing extremely dangerous moves on each other. Now should all those adults have to wear protective gear beacuse one of them might get their neck snapped? Should someone tell them how to behave when wrestling on their private propety? People have died wrestling, and yet i havn't seen it banned anywhere.

And as far as sitting in jail, i have no problem using civil disobedience to violate an unconstitutional law. And maybe you should talk to Dr. Martain Luther King Jr. about not having any voice while sitting in jail.

[raehl]

<sigh>

1) Your sporting analogies are not valid. Neither professional wrestling nor boxing is dependent on the use of sporting equipment. You're not going to be harmed by boxing or wrestling unless you're in a boxing or wrestling ring. No one walking down the street needs to worry about accidentally stumbling into a wrestling or boxing ring. Furthermore, neither boxing nor wrestling attempt to appeal to the PARTICIPATION of the general population. Our ability to play paintball in an inexpensive manner depends on the ability of MANY people to participate - boxing and wrestling are not popular sports, as measured by participation. Lots of spectators, very few participants. Paintball would simply not survive without lots of participants keeping paint and equipment pricing reasonable.

2) People should wear the appropriate equipment because 1) It's the responsible thing to do and 2) That equipment is now readily available and affordable, especially in comparison to the costs of getting your eye shot out. Just because you choose to play without appropriate protection doesn't mean I should have to pay for your stupidity through higher insurance rates. If you do really believe that it's "your right' to play without goggles because it "doesn't affect anyone else", I don't want to see you filing an insurance claim when you have to go to the hospital to get your eye fixed. Your choice, YOU pay for it.

3) On what grounds would the Baltimore ban be overturned? A municipality is perfectly within their legal authority to ban the sale and possession of paintball markers, just like they could fireworks or lawn darts or driving without a license. In this matter, you're just plain ignorant. Come on, I really want to see you answer this one, Mr. I kow Everything About the Constitution.

4) You people who believe the NRA is the solution for everything are idiots. The NRA exists for one purpose: To prevent the government from creating legislation against the use of firearms. SOMETIMES this means we have mutual interests, SOMETIMES it means we don't. For example, paintball competes for land use with gun owners who would rather use the same land to hunt. Further, NRA involvement is harmful. Anyone who would do something because the NRA says so likely isn't going to vote for an anti-paintball law in the first place - but there are plenty of people who WOULD vote for an anti-paintball law precisely because the NRA opposes it.

You need to understand that all of those "zealots" out there are just as much americans and have just as much of a right to vote an dinfluence over the process as you do. Do you think violating the law is acceptable when you don't agree with it? If you do, don't be surprised when the cops beat you in the interogation room after they arrest you. Oh, it's illegal? Guess they didn't agree with the law - tough crap for you. If you think the laws you don't like don't matter, then the laws that protect you don't matter either.


What's scary about you Rooster is that not only do you understand nothing that you're saying because you apparently have zero education on the related issues, but you also for some reason think you have a clue.

You don't. It's almost painful to read your ignorance.


- Chris