AGD Shot Turd!!!!!

[Chupas2]

Way to go Tom. Love the video. This is a good way to get some of the people that listen to Mancow to come out and play Shattner Ball in August. Although there is a few books writen on AO about this but think about who's listening to the station. Mancow has his followers and they love to hear Turd get hurt. They've been doing that since day one. He gave that to them and promoted AGD on top of it. Which is a good thing. People hear Turd getting shot to hell and hear they can come play in August with Mancow and Turd and get revenge on Tom and more people show up and it gets alot of media attention. Another good thing. In August Tom show the media his stuff (free advertising) and alot of people see it and want to buy a marker that can shoot fast. He makes more lowers price and everyones happy. I think Tom's doing everything to promote this game and his product. Just remeber you wanted marketing, he's giving it to you.



Wow. I feel like Shartley and Reahl writing this much. Sorry

[hitech]

Originally posted by AGD
At the Shatner Game 3000 players, hundreds with full auto same as show above, will be shooing Larry King in front of nationwide on field tv coverage, but that's ok.

No, it is not. And now that I have seen what 20bps full auto is, I am against it. YOU should be also. I would think that you have enough influnce to have that changed. Do you? Will you?

[hitech]

Originally posted by AGD

Yes we ARE showing this video in the hopes that everyone in the industry gets upset about it and it causes a huge controversy.The real problem is apparent in the posts on this thread, you don't do anything about it until its on TV.

That is true. It is true not just for the paintball industry, but true in general. People don't take action until it is a crisis. However, YOU can DO something now. Insist that they not allow full auto at Shatner Ball.

[shartley]

I think Tom's doing everything to promote this game and his product. Just remeber you wanted marketing, he's giving it to you.

[manike]

Agreed with Shartley. Well Put.

manike

[beam]

People will change only when the cost of staying the same is higher than changing.

I think Tom is raising the cost of staying the same.

[hitech]

BTW, the reason we are talking about it here is because we can get someone in a position to actually DO something to listen. I don't know where else I can do that.

[AGD]

If I cave on this I feel that the next thing that will be written will be this:

AGD Rest In Peace
The last gun manufacturer to go full auto,
once an industry leader but no more,
lack of marketing was his downfall.


Shartley, Of course I'm going to spin this.

Anyone emailed Tippman yet? Or do you just pick on me because I'm here?

AGD

[FatMan]

Sigh ...

You have good points - all of those things you mention are wrong - and they SHOULD be pointed out, talked about, and prevented in the future.

The Palestinans have a good point that bears discussion too.

I don't agree with either of your methods.

I know you are doing this for the right reasons, but I can't just look at this as a means to an end. Since part of the reason is to stir US into discussion I cannot continue to participate without becomming part of the event myself.

Tom, I'm disappointed you chose this approach. I don't think you thought it through as well as you might have. I hope in the end it helps with our cause and does not become a burden we all must bear. That's all I can say.

I'm out of here.

Further Deponent Sayeth Not.

FatMan

[hitech]

Originally posted by AGD
Professional players who... But that's ok.

I questioned many of the actions of the pro players while at the AO "donut orgy" in LA. Most (if not everyone) present (including Bill Mills) commented on how it needs to, has to, change. I know these comments were not directed at me, but remember, not everyone thinks it's okay. There just doesn't seem to be anything "I" can do about it. Except ask the questions of those who might be able to.

[manike]

It takes a big man to admit when they are wrong or have made a mistake.

You do not have to cave in on FA. It's not allowed or even legal in most places. People can't use it in tournaments or at most fields or in many countries. Why should you make an FA marker? I don't think it helps to sell guns.

Having FA is nothing to do with leading the market. I don't know anyone who has bought a gun just because it was FA.

You don't have to market by negatively showing what everyone else is doing. Market by being positive about what you can do (and what you won't do).

manike

[bunkerhugger]

The video tape is no more detrimental than the felonious acts we've seen committed by criminals with paintguns and video cameras. Anyone remember the old paintguns that shot .357 balls and used pistol primers as a propellant? Watch a video of them in action. Fire spitting out the barrel, full auto to rival a mac10, welts the size of chocolate chip cookies. A video of them in action will be discounted the same way this one is. Both are extreme and neither are realistic and reasonable people know this.

Unreasonable people will find a way to poo poo paintball no matter what. They will show pictures of Tippman's MP5 clone, they will find the guns which look even scarier, they will show pictures of 2E, and read transcripts of Lasoya's behavior. This video will do exactly what it was supposed to do, promote Mancow's face off with Tom Kaye and it will go no further than that. At least in the minds of reasonable people it will go no further.

[manike]

Since when were 'Joe Public' and politicians reasonable? lMAO

As you pointed out all those other acts were committed by criminals... This was conducted by someone in the industry.

manike

[bunkerhugger]

As a member of the public I find myself reasonable and prefer to consider my friends and neighbors to be also. I'm also aware that I am but one decision from being a criminal or a politician.

Every example I gave for unreasonable people to use to poo poo paintball was industry related also. Those guns are made by the industry and those players play for industry teams.

[Army]

I wanted to stay out of this, and this will be my ONLY reply on the subject:

When the "Industry" elected to limit rates to 13bps, we all knew that the RT was more than capable of 26bps, and we giggled behind our closed doors about it.

When FA became outlawed in tourneys to make it more "fair" for lower end guns, we giggled because our Mags were darn near FA anyway.

When WGP, WDP, Tippman, Kingman, Nova, Shocker, Bob Long, Smart Parts etc. all came out with mods or guns that went all the way to 16bps, and advertised that fact, Mag owners giggled that we could easily surpass that with no shootdown.

When Tom and others posted clips showing full auto at 13, 16, 18bps done in backyards, outside shops, at local fields, and even at a tourney, 99.9% of us said "OH MY GOSH, I GOTTA GET ME ONE OF THOSE, TOM WHERE DO I BUY ONE, THAT IS JUST AWESOME, WOW, NEATO, WOO-WOO"! And reffered others to the film clips over and over and over. We even made sure those other BBs and forums would see them, by posting the link at nearly every Pball site on the net.

We are ALWAYS bragging about "my" gun's rate of fire ability; "Cockers suck because I can shoot faster, Angels suck because I can shoot faster, Spyders.......suck".

But now, in an obviously controlled environment, indoors with sheeting and protective gear (Tom wasn't being shot at, but was wearing protection anyway), and shooting a guy whos' only job is to be a fall guy, a patsy, for Mancow. That he is doing it at a full auto 20bps with no chops or breaks would have, AT ANY OTHER TIME, been held aloft as AGDs crowning achievement in gun technology, and would have recieved all the requesite OOOHHs and AAAHHHHs that have accompanied the other FA videos.

Hypocrisy is running rampant here, but maybe that is just my way of observing things.

'nuff said. Dave