*video* racegun cocker at 20bps

[rudy]

Really, "numerous test"? Performed by who? Oh, right, AGD. "Listen, don't believe your eyes, believe our biased test results!"

look the test results could be bias. thats not uncommon. but they make sense, they are physically correct and there isnt any one doing any other test to counter them. This is a real problem in paintball. there arent any numbers every thing i just cause i can feel it or see it, or cause the guy at the shop said so. Thats why most of us are here we want to see proof not hype. and so far it looks like the only one offering us proof is AGD.

Man, keep buying guns based on bench tests, and I'll smoke you everytime

Ok right cause I bought a gun based on bench test Im going get smoked. well I think the player has alot more to do with the game then the gun but hey if your up for it who am I to decline a challenge for a 1v1. put your money where you mouth is and stop by and lets have a 1v1.

And you say the Race is an effort to keep upwith the times? What do you call the mag? Its an RT with an electro grip. No inovation there. Boyahh figured it out about three years ago.

You should really read a post before you make a stupid reply
I said half block. which is not the race frame. and that is an attempt to get the cocker up to speed. Oh does this also mean the boyaa was a reliable electronic frame that had a manual backup in case it failed? apparently not since they went under.

Cocker threads? Well, that's self explanitory.

yes it is agd needed a threaded barrels to incorperate the removeable breech, and rather then make a whole new thread they used a popular existing one so people could have aftermarket barrels right away. is that the explanation you saw?

Level ten? Trying to mimic a low volume gun

well obviously you have no clue what your talking about. what does low volume have to do with it. I think you need to use the word low force and yes the automag is moving to low force bolt operation at least for the first part.

They don't defy physics, there's just more factors
to trajectory than velocity and pressure.

You are correct but you apparently dont know any of them.

Out of the box, a cocker shots flatter and farther than a mag. Try it yourself

all those who have tried to prove this so far have failed.

show me some proof and I will believe you



uggg this thread is growing so fast i cant even keep up with it

[ddindc]

"velocity and pressure given the same enviornment". So a spiralled barrel adds nothing to a firearm? This has nothing to do with pressure or velocity. What about spinning the projectile? Not that this has any relevence to a paintball gun, just an example of something that does "make a lick of differnce"

[ddindc]

Sure, I'll go 1v1. You get a pump, and I'll take a halo-fed Angel. Still think guns have nothing to do with it?

[FaSSt]

Hey, a funny and generally amusing troll is still a troll.


Your logic is fundamentally wrong, since the assumptions you base your arguments are wrong:

1. Mags are not accurate enough, hence you are "outgunned" if you use one - hmmm, I have never heard this applied to my Emag, but maybe it's just my charming personality

2. A chopping "problem" exists - All those tens of thousands of peopel buying Mags are all chopping? Or maybe just those who can't maintain or use their guns properly? I know the ones I have owned or tuned for friends don't chop any more than any other (non-ACE) gun.

3. AGD products are announced way before release - So? Besides, Emag Xtremes have been available for a long time now from AGD Europe. At least AGD finally DELIVERS on its promises, with generally great customer service to boot.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by ddindc
"velocity and pressure given the same enviornment". So a spiralled barrel adds nothing to a firearm? This has nothing to do with pressure or velocity. What about spinning the projectile? Not that this has any relevence to a paintball gun, just an example of something that does "make a lick of differnce"

Spiraling in a firearm does not effect range nor trajectory. However it relies on a principle called spin stabalization that stabalizes the projectile in flight leading to greater accuracy. That does not exist in spherical paintballs. You do know what happens when paintballs spin dont you, like when you have a bit of oil or pain in your barrel. The accuracy decreases the balls go everywhere.

Please know what you are talking about before attacking me...

Again where is your evidence... Im kinda sick of asking the same question.

Nothing has proven your claims whatsoever.

[ddindc]

Mags don't chop? Then why is a level ten mod necessary? That's a lot of resources being poured into R&D for a problem that doesn't exist. As far as delivering, there is one of my greatest gripes with AGD and shows their desperate need for a marlketing department. As for EAGD, no you can NOT buy an extreme mag from them. They sold ONE ( a conversion) and stopped.

[FaSSt]

Originally posted by ddindc
...What about spinning the projectile? Not that this has any relevence to a paintball gun, just an example of something that does "make a lick of differnce"

For your information, paintballs are nothing like the solid metal projectile that a bullet is. Early liquid mercury filled (true Dum-Dum) bullets were notoriously inaccurate as a result of the rifling being unable to spin-stabilize the projectile. This quality, rendering them next to useless in combat, was the reason the British did not fight internationals protocols outlawing the bullets' use.

[ddindc]

And I ask you again, sir, where is your proof! As for accuracy, that is one of the great advantages to a cocker. Much more accurate. Where you going to hang that "minor" in physics? Your garage?

[rudy]

no actually I get my mag and you get a cocker since that is what you say I am outgunned with. And once again you need to read my post. I never said the gun didnt have anything to do with tipping the scales now did I. I was just pointing out that you saying people with mags are gonna get smoked is not true. but of course you are going to bring your cocker by and prove me wrong arent you?

[ddindc]

Rudy, i this is true, then why do pros chose cockers over mags? And I'm not interested in a 1 v 1; you sound like the kind of guy that would try and go backdoor on me. I will Thai Box you. Or a Brazilian Ju Jitsu fight. How about that?

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by ddindc
Mags don't chop? Then why is a level ten mod necessary? That's a lot of resources being poured into R&D for a problem that doesn't exist. As far as delivering, there is one of my greatest gripes with AGD and shows their desperate need for a marlketing department. As for EAGD, no you can NOT buy an extreme mag from them. They sold ONE ( a conversion) and stopped.

Almost any gun can and will chop. AGD has found a soultion that makes this virtually impossible.

Its called improvement. And has nothing to do with the guns prior performance.

WGP made improvements year to year on the autococker. So there must be a severe and drastic problem in a 2000 autococker because they did somthing diffrent in 2002 right?

Thats just silly.

[FaSSt]

Originally posted by ddindc
there is one of my greatest gripes with AGD and shows their desperate need for a marlketing department.

You could not be more right. Their marketing is downright pathetic. It sucks. It's horribe. And the worst part is that they know it! Still, that does not in the short term affect the quality of their products.

Originally posted by ddindc
As for EAGD, no you can NOT buy an extreme mag from them. They sold ONE ( a conversion) and stopped.

WRONG. I know this first hand, since I called them months ago, and got shipped prices for an Xtreme with additional breach modules. (I ended up getting a new AR-15 instead, but that's not the point.)

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by ddindc
And I ask you again, sir, where is your proof! As for accuracy, that is one of the great advantages to a cocker. Much more accurate. Where you going to hang that "minor" in physics? Your garage?

I have provided you with proof its in my previous post's edits.

Compare the guns listed. The accuracy is pretty much the SAME.

I see that you are still attacking me good job. Makin up for a lack of substance huh?

Actually after I finish my MCATS my physics minor will probably be hangin in the garage.

[AcemanPB]

is it just me or is this guy getting dumber every post

[ddindc]

Neal, I do not accept a biased, limited bech test as proof of anything, sir! As for that other guy, Bob, they may have given you prices, but they have since stoped selling them through EAGD. That is true!