Teenagers and Trash Talk

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Frank (the spank)
I get sick of theses "You're out!" asshats.

It pissed me off enough i got into someones face about it and yelled "You don't tell me when I'm out I tell you when I'm out, got it?!?"

2 ways you are out in a game, you call yourself out or a ref calls you out, not some asshat yelling "duuuhhh oooh you're out!!!!"

One of theses days I'm gonna snap and tank whip the next little crap that says I'm out.

I remember playing a friend one time. I hit his harness that was sticking out and he didn't notice. Told him to check his harness and he called himself out.

Someone telling you're that you are out could be their dumb way of saying that you have been marked and didn't see it.

It's no reason to get all hot and bothered about it though.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

First off, I almost never see any kids talking trash. It's always tournament players that do that. Always whining about how they werent shot, and a bunch of other crap. Tournament players are the biggest babies on the planet. Who else throws their gun like a little child? And secondly, if another team is talking trash, they are over confident. Let them make mistakes that will get them shot.

[FatMan]

Originally posted by shartley

True.

Besides, how many times do folks tell ME to relax? Hmmmm I guess I have that same option. Relax Fatman.

Don't worry, I'm relaxed. Maybe too relaxed!

I'll agree, logic is on your side. But I think experience is on mine. There is nothing like playing clean in the face of a poor sport. I guess I'm speaking in larger terms, not so much in terms of the individual. I have found that by focusing on being a good sport myself, I don't have to deal with the poor sport, he gets dealt with in due time. On the other hand I've never been able have a positive effect by actively pursuing a poor sport. In that sense, focusing on *my* sense of right and wrong *does* have an effect, though not a direct one.

I agree. I've never had to do that, actually. Though I'm, prepared to. I almost took my daughter out of a basketball game after their coach called ours a MFB and asked me to step outside because I was being vocal when their player slammed a girl smaller than her into the wall, and then strutted and grinned about it. But we held on and we won. It was OTHER parents (none on our team) that called the league and had the other team censured. I guess its more the will than anything. To play the game fair, to play it right.

FatMan

[shartley]

[beefstew]

Frankly, this post is stupid. That is because in my experiance the number of jack(you know whats) is even throughout age barriers. I have seen some teen kids get in peoples face, and i have done it to. If i play a tourny that i payed to get to, am paying to play, and pay for most of my paint, then im going to get pissed of if someone doesnt notice a hit and call themselves out, because that would mean a split second less for me and my team to try and win. At the recball level, i have seen more adults and 20 somthings go off than any other age group.

I work at a field, i saw something like this happen. Guy runs towards one of my teammates while hes getting paint checked, asks for a surrender, teammate turns, shoots and then turns right back. This was legal, and it was also illegal for this 20 something to move on a neutral area or player. When i pulled the guy who had gotten hit, he had some choice words to say to me. Right after this a 9 year old who was playing (amazing btw) started talking some serious trash to a guy, and the guy got pissed off. He freaked and tried to bunker the kid. Kid wrapped around and shot him. he was also really pissed off.

If a kid is better than you and trashes you, and then whoops you, let it go. I am sick of corgial people ruining my playing with complaints after a surrender order and then getting shot. I wouldnt surrender someone, and i dont surrender, so there is no point in asking. People who dont pull themselves or get a check when they get hit annoy me more than anything. If i hit you, and it breaks, you are out. no complaints, and no finishing shooting your lanes. If you take too long im gonna shoot you again. thats not over shooting thats the amount needed to get the other person out of the game. 1 should be enough but sometimes it isnt.

I am one of those disrespectfull kids that will trash you on and off the field, i dont care how old you are. If you earn my respect you deserve it. I dont care if your are 7 or 80, put up or shut up. Try and get physical with me and i will brawl OFF THE FIELD. none of this on field fist fights. Take out your anger towards me on the field. I dont respect people just because they are older than i am, why would that make sense. Respect hitler, dont trash talk him, he was older than I, I gotta respect my elders. That stuff doesnt cut it. if you cant play the game and talk the talk, most of all walk the walk to back it up, you dont need to be playing tourny ball. Even rec for that matter, if your good, people cant do anything when you trash talk them. IF you are a Squid, then STFU and try and learn something about the sport.
I have been playing for a long time and have noticed the small percentages of these people not fluctuate. The sport is growing, the % of asshats is not changing in my opinion.

Somthing to think about
Phil

[UThomas]

Frankly, this post is stupid. That is because in my experiance the number of jack(you know whats) is even throughout age barriers.

Because your experience differs with my experience and others on this thread, this thread is stupid? Ok...

If a kid is better than you and trashes you, and then whoops you, let it go

Did you even read the thread? I don't think anybody here has a problem with loosing per se, especially in rec ball (emphasis on the REC).

I am one of those disrespectfull kids that will trash you on and off the field [...] Try and get physical with me and i will brawl OFF THE FIELD

LOL! You'll grow out of this one way or another. Adults generally don't stay this seperated from reality.

Truth is you're probably just another guy playing on just another team in a small 'sport' that you'd have a very hard time making a good living at.

Maybe these kids now are reading too many magazines with the tough guy/Xtreme sport image. Damn those old Tippman adds :)

[beefstew]

No, just because i have seen so many instances in which adults have acted stupid, a larger percentage then teens. when you go and play you should look around. I dunno about you, but my field is about 70% teens and i think that the percentage of obnoxious people is higher in adult players.

Thanks i did read the thread, and people were speaking about people who would trash talk and then be horrible. If they are good, then you cant really back up an arguement as to why its obnoxious when they are just proving there skills.

No actually i wont. This is the way that i am about everything. I dont plan to make a living playing paintball or get into many brawls. But if it comes down to that i wont cop out. Im a kid playing on a competitive team, where goods that we are equiped with from sponsors help us pay to play, so it matters if we win or loose.

"mabye these kids" that statement right there is blanketing a whole group of people when you are indirectley just trying to indicate that is one of my activities.
This is in reply to the post above mine, i was too lazy to quote, are all kids too lazy now?
-Phil

Edited to take out sig.

[UThomas]

when you go and play you should look around.

Wow, condescending because your experience is different than mine? Now is it my turn to say: "Frankly, this post is stupid"?

then you cant really back up an arguement as to why its obnoxious

The point is not that they are better players and saying "hey we wooped you" and backing it up (which is lame, but kids do it), its that these clowns are saying "you're a f*king cheater" or whatever when in any other activity they would get smacked down for that but for some reason think its ok in recreational paintball.

Anyway, no one any where on this thread that I saw indicated that this behavior applied to all teens. But whatever, read it how you want.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Wow. Kids, adults, little green men from different planets, whatever happened to "sticks and stones....". Seriously, especially adults, if you can't brush off what some punk squables to you, well i don't know. Doesn't being an "adult" mean you're able to ignore ignorant or stupid people? Doesn't some stupid kid talking trash on a paintball field count? Give me a break.

And yes, i know some of you are going to say "what about the bonus balls, bla bla bla". I believe he was talking about trash TALKING. Although they generally go hand in hand, still he's only talking about the stupid things that people say, not do.

[nastymag]

i am 17 years old an have been playing for 4 years ...

and i think i haved played enough to see that its not just a teen proplem. Adults and kids do it, so i think it should be dealt in a general way .. not just saying these kids didnt bring them up like this ..or they had to much money.

i admit ... i am one of those players that get a lil hot headed when I play.
i never EVER talk any trash before a game. and rarly in a game. But if i hit someone on a pack ... and thye arent getting out , i will YELL AND YELL till they leave. sometimes i am wrong, for example last year i was playing the fifty and i hit some kid on the hopper twice.. he wouldnt get out .. and i screamed for him to get out. i couldnt find a way to get a ref to paint check him... i hit him again on the gun ..he still wouldnt get out, he looked like some one who was an decent player, so i got another angle on him and i hit him with about 8-9 paintballs.
after the game i felt bad and i went and apologized for hitting him that many times. i also explained that i had hit him .. but he told me that at the feild he played at they didnt count gun hits. i didnt know this when i was playing but it would have been nice if i hadnt shoot him 8-9 times.

at the feilds i play ... it seems to be the older people treat the younger crowd badly ..so the younger crowd talks trash. i personally think its a cycle .



hey Uthomas ... how is the cocker i sold you working for ya ?

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by TheBigRaguPB4L
Doesn't being an "adult" mean you're able to ignore ignorant or stupid people? Doesn't some stupid kid talking trash on a paintball field count?

Yes it is part of being an adult. It is, however, hard sometimes. We do the best we can. In Oldsoldier's situation the guy, however, was bonus balling him and he gave him fair warning. Eventually you can only turn the cheek so much and then you have to give the punk edification on proper etiquette.

[oldsoldier]

Originally posted by beefstew
Frankly, this post is stupid. That is because in my experiance the number of jack(you know whats) is even throughout age barriers. I have seen some teen kids get in peoples face, and i have done it to. If i play a tourny that i payed to get to, am paying to play, and pay for most of my paint, then im going to get pissed of if someone doesnt notice a hit and call themselves out, because that would mean a split second less for me and my team to try and win. At the recball level, i have seen more adults and 20 somthings go off than any other age group.

I work at a field, i saw something like this happen. Guy runs towards one of my teammates while hes getting paint checked, asks for a surrender, teammate turns, shoots and then turns right back. This was legal, and it was also illegal for this 20 something to move on a neutral area or player. When i pulled the guy who had gotten hit, he had some choice words to say to me. Right after this a 9 year old who was playing (amazing btw) started talking some serious trash to a guy, and the guy got pissed off. He freaked and tried to bunker the kid. Kid wrapped around and shot him. he was also really pissed off.

If a kid is better than you and trashes you, and then whoops you, let it go. I am sick of corgial people ruining my playing with complaints after a surrender order and then getting shot. I wouldnt surrender someone, and i dont surrender, so there is no point in asking. People who dont pull themselves or get a check when they get hit annoy me more than anything. If i hit you, and it breaks, you are out. no complaints, and no finishing shooting your lanes. If you take too long im gonna shoot you again. thats not over shooting thats the amount needed to get the other person out of the game. 1 should be enough but sometimes it isnt.

I am one of those disrespectfull kids that will trash you on and off the field, i dont care how old you are. If you earn my respect you deserve it. I dont care if your are 7 or 80, put up or shut up. Try and get physical with me and i will brawl OFF THE FIELD. none of this on field fist fights. Take out your anger towards me on the field. I dont respect people just because they are older than i am, why would that make sense. Respect hitler, dont trash talk him, he was older than I, I gotta respect my elders. That stuff doesnt cut it. if you cant play the game and talk the talk, most of all walk the walk to back it up, you dont need to be playing tourny ball. Even rec for that matter, if your good, people cant do anything when you trash talk them. IF you are a Squid, then STFU and try and learn something about the sport.
I have been playing for a long time and have noticed the small percentages of these people not fluctuate. The sport is growing, the % of asshats is not changing in my opinion.

Somthing to think about
Phil

Exactly the attitude I am talking about. I dont need to ear ANYONE'S respect. Trash talking is fine. However, dont get in my face. That will only result in us both being ejected.
I do NOT have to earn the respect of a kid. He has to earn MINE. You know what I have done in the past? You know my life story? Have you EVER served beside me, sweated through the same crap I have, been miserable and laughed about it with me? No? Then, why do I need YOUR respect? Thats the attitude I am talking about. I am not here to earn yours, nor are you here to earn mine. I, however, will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you are a decent individual. That is usually squashed as soon as the mouth opens though.
I am not surprised by the "you gotta earn my respect" attitude by alot of people in PB these days. It is a fast paced game, adrenaline runs high. It is just unfortunate that people cant respect one another. They gotta name call, shoot in the back, and do stupid stuff to make themselves feel better. Thats truly sad. You do that, get a REAL life, outside of PB and video games.
Beefstew, your post upset me. I dont owe you ANYTHING, nor anyone who thinks like you. Look around; alot of us "older folks" have sacrificed so you can continue playing. Hell, YOU owe ME respect. But, with your attitude, you can keep it. I am done here.

[Konigballer]

Since when does being an adult mean you can work through any situation calmly and logically. You ever see parents at a peewee football game or a little league game? Biggest buncha phycos I've ever seen. One thing I cant stand at places I play are the no name "tourney" teams who grace the recfield with their presense and act all superior. Their guns will be down half the time an when their up they have to spew 10+ rounds into you before they quit then flip out if they get tagged by a single hopper hit. Coarse I've grown a little since I was 16 so this is no matter anymore, but I hate the thing were a bunch of guys buy some jersies and all of a sudden its like they just jumped on Normandy or something, its paintball! I agree that their are not enough "beatings" in the family:) I got smacked for a ton of stuff these "kids" do now. "Kids", I'm 22 but I feel so old when I see a fourteen year old toting an angel. I hate it when one of those punks goes out of his way to walk over to me and tell me what HE thinks of MY gear. I'm 6'2, 245lbs and some pimplefaced little maggot is going to lecture me on what I should or should'nt have bought with MY MONEY! I think what alot of these kids are forgetting is that "respect for your elders", in many cases, is just a thinly veiled illusion to avoiding agravating those higher up on the food chain. I know its just a game but the pb field isnt just some alternate universe devoid of consequense. "Tread lightly!"

[UThomas]

Doesn't being an "adult" mean you're able to ignore ignorant or stupid people? Doesn't some stupid kid talking trash on a paintball field count?

Should I have to if I am paying money to play at the field? I expect hastles at the office, that can be a part of the job, but do you like people yelling at you at a place you go to relax and have fun?

hey Uthomas ... how is the cocker i sold you working for ya ?

Worked like a champ, thanks! I let my friends shoot it and then ended up putting some other stuff on it and selling it. You know how it goes :)

One thing I cant stand at places I play are the no name "tourney" teams who grace the recfield with their presense and act all superior.

Amen to that. A couple times we had a team practicing want to take on the walk on's. They are like "we'll give you 2 to 1 player count." Well, of course the walk ons got smoked and I think I shot one guy on their team before I was shot in the back. We played again, same thing. At this point I go up to the 14 year old ref and I'm like "dude, I didn't pay money to be cannon fodder for a tournament practice, change the teams, the walkons aren't having fun." And he switched it up and all was good while the tourney guys were *****ing.

As an aside, the jersey phenomenon was just starting when I went to college, and I was shocked to see it full blown when I came back.

Other thoughts:

-Adults can be a-holes too. Its not exclusive to teens.

-Its the refs job to call people out, not the players. The players should call paintcheck and thats it IMO.

[Spazzmav13]

whiners

theres nothing worse that can ruin the day than the usual whiner, that just thinks the world is out to get him so that he can get shot and left behind in a game. people need to say something if they think it and then leave it at that and stop complaining and have fun.