Teenagers and Trash Talk

[Rebel46_99]

One simple question....

Aren't there any SMALL players here? Everyone brags about being 6'2"+ and over 230 lbs. As I mentioned earlier, It doesn't mean a hill of beans to me how friggin' BIG you are. If you're in the wrong, you're going to hear about it. Take your size intimidation someplace where someone actually cares.

All you are is a bigger TARGET!

And all it is, is just another bit of trash talk.

DW

[oldsoldier]

I'm small...well, in height...not in girth...

[shartley]

Originally posted by oldsoldier
girth...

I love that word. LOL

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

I just don't understand why people get so upset over trivial things. I could understand if you had your 12 year old son there and they were yelling obsenaties at him. When some stupid kid starts yelling at me on the field, i shut him up with my team. If i can't do that, i just ignore him. Big deal. I guess i'm just to easy going. Besides, people that are doing stuff like trying to yell at me are trying to get a reaction out of me and piss me off. Most of the time it annoys them if you ignore them. Some times people are just trying to be jerks. Get over it. I can do it, so can you. haha.

[beefstew]

Hey oldsoldier- Not to ruin your point, but what exactly have YOU sacrifcied so i can play? I have Been playing for years, not to say as long as you, but i started playing before i was old enough to get on to a insured field. This disrespect you speak of has to do now with you NEEDING my respect, you said you did not, but then, in my eyes you contradicted yourself by starting a ramble about experiances that you have had through out your life. Who are you to say i havent gone through more hard times then you have? why do I somehow owe you respect? what have you done for me? Its not that i am saying this as an excuse to be disrespectfull, which I am not, Im just saying that because you and the people around you are older than some players does not make you more experianced, better, or more deserving of my respect.
-Phil

[UThomas]

You know Neville Chamberlain tried to ignore things also and we all see how that worked out :)

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Originally posted by UThomas
You know Neville Chamberlain tried to ignore things also and we all see how that worked out :)

Don't you think that's slighly different than some stupid 14 year old trying to impress someone?

[shartley]

Originally posted by beefstew
Hey oldsoldier- Not to ruin your point, but what exactly have YOU sacrifcied so i can play? I have Been playing for years, not to say as long as you, but i started playing before i was old enough to get on to a insured field. This disrespect you speak of has to do now with you NEEDING my respect, you said you did not, but then, in my eyes you contradicted yourself by starting a ramble about experiances that you have had through out your life. Who are you to say i havent gone through more hard times then you have? why do I somehow owe you respect? what have you done for me? Its not that i am saying this as an excuse to be disrespectfull, which I am not, Im just saying that because you and the people around you are older than some players does not make you more experianced, better, or more deserving of my respect.
-Phil

[UThomas]

Don't you think that's slighly different than some stupid 14 year old trying to impress someone?

Note the smiley face.

But I do think that sitting by and letting certain people ruin things for others with thier attitudes is not a long term solution in life. You have to pick your battles, true, but you going to run out of places to go to if you just keep ignoring or disengaging the issues.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by shartley

It is a part of growing up and aging. It has happened in countless generations before us, and it will continue long after we are gone. :)

So true. :)

I think what we are talking about here is not respect but courtesy. Why should you not be courteous on the field? Why should you trash talk in a way that is not fun and playful for everyone? Its one thing to trash talk with your friends. The guys I play with all went to high school together (we play then grab a beer somewhere afterwards once a month or more if we can get the darn wives to allow it). So of course we are mocking each other all the time and trying to shoot each other (unlike most groups we try to get on separate teams from each other). In tournament ball you may have to yell and scream more. I see your point in this. As someone mentioned above, however, we are talking about rec ball trash talking/disrespect.

EDIT: Some may say that I take even rec ball seriously and my adrenaline gets going. Fine....just don't be surprised when you get some else's adrenaline going and they get in your face. You reap what you sow....

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Originally posted by shartley

I think that could be said about alot of adults as well. People need to learn from their own mistakes. Seldom do others learn from others mistakes. I think it's just human nature. It's just more frequent with younger crowds cause they haven't made enough mistakes yet.

[beefstew]

arron- this is what i am saying, im not going to disrespect you unless you disrespect me. This however does not mean that i respect you, but i agree there should be courtesy between all players, even at the top level.

[shartley]

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by shartley
Personally I would like everyone to respect me, but in all honesty, that will NEVER happen.

I agree with you. That is a certainty. (sorry I couldn't resist)

Yes I agree with you beefstew but I think everyone agrees on that point. I think that you, Shartley, and Oldsoldier essentially agree. Oldsoldier never said to fall on your knees and weep at being in the ecstacy of his presence. Neither is he saying he wants you to reduce your phenomenal skill and let him win occasionally. He is simply saying he expects common courtesy (note the common portion) among players. From what you say you are not the kind of player that pisses him off so it is a really a non issue. I'm guessing if you expect some courtesy among players (namely not bonusing balling on purpose) that you would probably get pissed off at the exact same players he is talking about.

[nastymag]

on the small player note .. i am 5,8 and 150 pounds .... so i am not exactly big.

i think respect has different meanings to me.

if i dont know you ...and we just met ... i will show you the best respect i can. because i dont know who you are , i dont know if you are a great person or not. the more i get to know you .. the more that respect will grow, or fall.
i dont reserve my respect for the people i know .. i give it to everyone when i meet them.

i cant help but disrespect some one who doesnt treat me like an equel. on the feild everyone is a player and no one should be treated as anything more or less ( cept for the refs ... they need to be treated extra nice).

but i also realize that in a game like this.. tension runs high , adrenaline is flowing, and sometimes you can yell stuff that is not exactly nice. i dont mean call the other player at your mirror a #@$%&*& ^@#$ .. or anything like that. but say i was to get hit on the break or right as i wrap around a bunker for a nice angle.. i have been known to yell a four letter word once in a while. but i always leave my attitude on the field. if i got hit ..i got hit.
i think the proplem is that after a while players start thinking because tey have this or that.. the get huge egos, and since no one is there to tell them not to do have a bad attitude.

And yes .. its a refs job to pull some one out ... but sometimes the ref is some where else and you have to let the other player know that you know you hit him.


and i hope most of you are kidding about thinking kids should get hit more around the house. some of the most screwed up kids i know where beat at the house.