Be an *** Kicker not a Mouse Clicker!!

**jimmyjobob** · 08-23-2003, 02:40 PM

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I think Electronic Markers are the Devil of the sport

i agree with cphilip on this one. unfortunately the technology has created its own demise. just seems that too often ROF has replaced skill. seems that manufacturers are too concerned with how fast their marker can shoot.

an example of this are the electronic cockers. i would have never thought their popularity would have soared so quickly. alot of people wont even consider a cocker unless it has an eblade, etc. sad.

frankly, i find it difficult to even afford the sport at times due to the the fact that you almost have to hit the field with soo much paint to even hold off opponents. as it was mentioned earlier...id like to see a few of these people try hopperball for a few games (200 rounds only)

i think the tables would turn.

**Lohman446** · 08-23-2003, 02:43 PM

If this sounds stupid so be it

I do not like the trigger pull of an e-gun (at least any I have tried)

My mech intelliframe non ULT X-valved mag is as light as I want - the reactiveness worries me on it when the trigger shoots forward.

Then again, I am coming from sport shooting, and am used to longer and heavier pulls

**Thordic** · 08-23-2003, 03:02 PM

I have 5 mechanical guns (ULE Mag, warped Minimag, Spyder, Phantom VSC, and PGP), and two electros (Intimidator and a Rainmaker thats in the process of being upgraded).

I've used all five electros in multiple games.

I have NEVER used either electro in a game. The intimidator was lent out once, the Rainmaker is effectly in the shop for a good long while getting a bunch of upgrades.

The only electro right now that I would consider getting to actually use is a Matrix with an OTB 90* frame. But I don't even know if I'd use that either.

I just like mechanical guns more, for the most part. Other guns are fun and all but I find when I'm playing in a game with them I'm just not as effective.

**Jeffy-CanCon** · 08-23-2003, 03:08 PM

I'll stick with my mech 'Mag, and I know a bunch of people who feel the same way. We were once offered quality electros at a very nice price (50%), but everyone stuck with their 'Mags. But these are old-school guys who play with pumps a lot, too.

From pumps to semis, mech to electro, the difference is ROF and learning curve. As the tech has improved, it has gotten easier and easier to be an effective player, or at least feel like one. Ever since the late 90's, when field-rental pumps finally disappeared, fewer and fewer people take up the pump game. Only the open-minded and dedicated voluntarily go lower-tech. Either as a means of sharpening up their skills for hi-tech play, or to increase the challenge when playing weaker opponents.

So I think LongDuckDong is probably right. Most people who own an electro (especially if they started with one) will not willingly go back to mech. As long as some electro option is there, many people will pay the extra money for it, even if it is going to a company they hate.

**smilestyler** · 08-23-2003, 04:23 PM

I think we need to be realistic here. We are at a point where industry technology has brought us to the common use of e triggers. No matter how much fun it is to use a really nice mech gun, I wouldn't dare go to a tourny with anything less than a killer RT pro. And if I am getting out gunned by every impulse (assuming against a similiarly skilled player), I would be missing my emag every shot. I want my emag

**SpongeBobSquarePants** · 08-23-2003, 05:15 PM

There is no way. Its really all about personal prefernce but the more paint you can put out there the better off you are or at least in my opinion. Do I think electros are the most dominate? Yes. Will mechs disappear? No.

**SG Avenger** · 08-23-2003, 05:24 PM

I've always played with my mech mag. And proabably always will. I can throw some serious paint with my x-valve/yframe. But I was matching up several times today against a guy with an x-mag, and he was able to get out a lot more shots than I was.

Though, today It was not I who felt the sting, but him.

No electros? no problem.

**crankydan** · 08-23-2003, 06:06 PM

I played my first game of paintball back in 1984 in Charlseton SC. It was a far cry from speed ball let me tell ya. I think we all change over to faster markers because that is what everyone does when they get tired of being out shot. I also think it was alot funner back then simply because the field of play was infact even. No fancy electro markers shooting 20+ bps. Im an old man playing a young mans game(I can still snap with the best of them) and would love to play mechanical, if that is what everyone is using. I dont want to give up that extra edge if I dont have to, but that is why I shot a Emag. Just think about the weight without the battery in the pack. So I would have to say "heck ya Tom, I would go for it".

**DyNasTy** · 08-23-2003, 06:50 PM

hi

sorry electro only for me

**logamus** · 08-23-2003, 07:12 PM

mech

where is the option for pie?

**magman007** · 08-23-2003, 07:24 PM

OK, lets think this through guys. Im noticing alot of bandwagon hoppers in this thread. Kids saying, oh, il shoot a mech, why because tom said so!

well, sorry people, but il be rockin an electro as my main marker for a good while to come, why? because i play to be sucessfull. I want to win, and iw ant to be a good player. I am TENACIOUS when it comes to winning. I want to win at all costs, aslong as win fairly.

Look, an electro gives you an edge. it gives you the tiney bit more speed, that cans horten your times dramatically.

this is like asking, if everyone else shot a gun that chopped, would you shot a mag with lvl 10?

Whats the point? having a gun that is soft on paint, is a great thing, same as having a gun that can really lay it down, and fast.

its like saying, lance armstrong can ride a heavy huffy mountain bike in the tour de france, as long as everyone else is, but where would the reason be in that? working harder to accomplish something already hard? doubbling your work for something that already tires you out?

im saying, i cant take less strength from pulling the trigger, and concentrate on my game, i can shoot faster in a snap shot, and reduce the time my body is out. I dont have to worry about short stroking or chuffing, because i have ace and an e trigger

ANd to ask you this, who is going to take the time, to build a 700 mech marker, when you can buy the sp 2003 shocker for 700 once the suit goes through? i dunno about you, but no matter how much i scream boycott, if they and national become the only ones with e triggers out there, i just may have to support them if i ever buy another e marker again.

I plan to keep my electro, and if im denied playing a game, because everyone else is playing mech, and they are shooting 10bps, and i can shoot 13 with my e trigger, then im gunna be pissed that i spent the money on my nice e triggered gun.

**trevorjk** · 08-23-2003, 07:38 PM

well since im not getting my voting option heres my deal anyways i shoot a mech now and still plan on getting mroe stuff for my mech even though ill have the best mech gun ever when im done with my x valve lvl10 ule rail ule body iframe ult ect ect ect i must say the next step is a sweet electro so i must say even if everyone had an mech and electros costed an extra $300 dollars i would still by me an xmag so im voting for the electro option

**mr_mich** · 08-23-2003, 08:02 PM

Electro? Semi? Pump?

I don't care what I shoot on the field, as long as I'm comfortable with my gun. As long as I can get the gun to work when I want it to, shoot where I point it, and point where I think I'm pointing it, I'll have a lot more fun playing.

**GhostXmasFuture** · 08-23-2003, 08:24 PM

I think the true nature of the Q's should be how much are people willing to spend for electronic's. Smart parts will still have thiers.

I have an E-mag and love the thing. Oddly enough I just laid down money today for an RT-Pro. I love the E trigger but found that my accuracy suffered do to trying to shoot at high rates of fire. When I play with the mech trigger I concentrate more on accuracy. This all seems stupid and I have thought of alot of counter arguments to what I am doing, but I just seems like the right thing for me to do.

I love E triggers and others do too, but at what price.
Truth is most of us will still play paintball regardless of trigger type.

**Twon** · 08-23-2003, 08:42 PM

Personally, I don't mind shooting a mechanical marker, unless it's a Tippmann Prolite or something really slow. For Recball, a nice Automag or Autococker is fast enough. In tourney, electros are all about sweet spoting. When you get to your bunker, it doesn't matter anymore if you got a super fast electro or mech gun.

Today, there was a big game at my field, 300 players. I was shooting my X-Mag and the electronics went bananas. So I switched to manual mode and still score a lot of points. After lunch, I took my backup marker, a Reflex Cocker and found that it was fast enough for that kind of game.

Twon

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