Be an *** Kicker not a Mouse Clicker!!

[Doc Nickel]

Originally posted by BradAGD
... Tom, you better be prepared for SP to sue over the exclusion of their guns.

-Hardly.

If one were to create and promote a "Mechanical Marker" tourney, there is absolutely no reason- NONE- that SP would have to insist you allow their markers.

It's like the hopperball events- would the Draxxus guys sue to allow players to carry all the paint they want?

EMR's upcoming Castle Conquest is limiting the Defenders to pump only- should Bud Orr sue to allow players to use 'Cockers?

Now, SP might have something to say if, by some quirk of fate, the promoters of- just as an example- The World Cup unilaterally declared no player or team could use SP markers. That's a whole differnt story.

Speaking for me personally, I grew up in this sport in the days when a Splatmaster Rapide rifle was top-of-the-line and cutting-edge. I've watched the kids buy semiautos and whole cases of paint thinking they would therefore become kings of the field.

I have no qualms with electros- I have a Shocker, an Angel, an Impulse (prerelease, bought over three years ago) two Race-framed guns, and I've built my own E-Cocker. I like shooting 'em, I don't mind playing against 'em.

But as far as the poll goes, I'm very comfortable with standard mechanical 'Cockers, so if it came down to playing with that over putting even one more dollar in SP's pocket, I will have very little problem with it.

Doc.

[BradAGD]

SP threatened a local field owner with a lawsuit when the Turbos came out because he wouldn't allow them on his field. He got a nasty phone call and letter from Graham of SP about this. He said there was nothing to exclude his product from the playing field and if the field owner didn't allow them on, he was suing...really.

[FSU_Paintball]

That's horrible. I heard they threatened OTB over the electronic marker they're developing, too. And get this - there's a paintball mod being made for Unreal Tournament 2003 called MVPB. SP threatened to sue them for including the Shocker and Impulse in this game (a FREE mod). Talk about going overboard.


Right now, I'm an *** kicker, not a mouse clicker, but I'm trying as hard as I can to afford the eblade. I personally like electronic triggers, but I think I could deal if I had to stick with mechanical. And I'd definitely be down with a mechanical tournament - that would be great!

/salutes Tom

/salutes Doc

Keep spreadin the good word.

[Albinonewt]

I love my E-mag and electros in general. I'd play without them if they went away, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

Bottom line is, I love playing paintball and will continue to do so. However, if I had to give up my electro you might see me playing with an Orafcle Cocker instead of a RTP.

But only time will tell. And man will I be angry if I have to give up my E-mag. Whoever comes to take it from me better be prepared for me to be standing on my roof with my face painted blue yelling "They may take our lives, but they'll never take our E-Mags!" (And that's when I let loose with the 7.62 fire, which is like a paintball, yet different)

[Ronin 23]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Whoever comes to take it from me better be prepared for me to be standing on my roof with my face painted blue yelling "They may take our lives, but they'll never take our E-Mags!" (And that's when I let loose with the 7.62 fire, which is like a paintball, yet different)

Will that 7.62 be supplemented with some "lightning from your arse".....

[JEDI]

I don't play paintball anymore. I unleash small strings of discipline with my E-Blade. I get an unnatural high from the rate of fire my Egun puts out. Giving up my electro brings the phrase "cold dead hands" to mind.

[JAM]

yeah, I've been through an eblade, an emag, an XMag, and an angel, and now I'm back with a mech cocker. I play against everything from tippmanns to timmys. I have the same amount of fun, the same # of eliminations, but the gun cost less and I shoot about half the paint i used to. oh, and i don't need to charge my gun up. I don't think I'll be electro for a long time. batteries are for hoppers.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Miscue
I think the best thing about electros going away would be... we don't have this electronic shady stuff going on anymore.

I would have to agree with that. I like the electro trigger, because it's easier. Not because it's faster. However, I think the BPS race has gotten out of hand.

[Crighton]

I wouldn't give up my E trigger guns. I would how ever buy any new E trigger gun that has a nifty way around the SP patent. Like quick release battery packs. ect ect.

[SocialD]

Here's my 2 cents

I have never played with an electo-marker and I'm sure that I never will. I can empty a hopper plenty fast without an electronic trigger. I actually find that I get many more eliminations when I fire less than 350 balls or so per game in a 5 man tourney. Just wailing on the trigger for the sake of wasting paint isn't going to win you games. THE SHOTS HAVE TO COUNT! If someone is shooting at my bunker at 15 BPS or so, I'm going to shoot out the other side. Then, I will shoot them while they are reloading, which will happen about every minute or so. I that some people, not all of them, try to make up for a lack of skill with high rates of fire.

[thei3ug]

I owned an eclipse angel for a day. great gun.

I owned an LED angel 8 months ago for a week.

I owned an LCD for a day, and it's in my basement for work.

I think electros are great fun, but it's not how I want to play. It will never be how I play, and for all the talk about the demise of the mechanical, I will never be a part of that.

This decision affects me personally not in the least. On an emotional and moral level it affects me greatly. Though a part of me wishes, just a bit, that somehow we'll end up playing pumps again. Maybe then people will understand what it means to be in this community again like the days of old, and not this chicken poop nutjob industry.

[Muzikman]

Ditto to thei3ug's comment. I own an emag, and what do I play with 90% of the time? A mechanical Palmerized cocker. I too would like to see a come back of pumps into the main stream. Will this happen, no, but it would be cool, and I could arm an entire 10man team with high quality pumps too

[Robbie]

You cant undo progress...... Tournaments players will always wan't the best the fastest equipment they can get. and there will always be someone looking up to them thinking it's the gun that makes them the best. Not the hard work the practice sessions and training that comes with it. Damn that slick marketing...
You are slowly seeing pump only games or pump senerio games coming back( Emr paintball). Rec ball at least by me seems to fine. The rof you get with a mech bounce trigger is pretty fast anyway. put an a5 tippman in anyones hands in 5 mins they have found the sweet spot and throughing paint everywhere.
i have played this game since jim thorpe's skirmish rental gear consisted of a pgp pump and woodshop googles no mask.
A patten war will not sink this game.
I think you will see the tounament fall first.
Bad reffing
problems with promoters
problems with sponsors
paint prices

Look a the number of people going to scenerio games now vs 5 years ago

Minimag z grip retro valve warp ego no lv10 Main Gun
Minimag Hyper frame Warp ego Backup gun
Stock minimag
VM 68
King cobra
and i would play with any of them against anyone....
Its a game

And stop complaning about how heavy the damn guns are....
work out a little bit ....
people crying about saving a few ounces on a gun when there 50 pounds over weight make me sick.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Robbie
And stop complaning about how heavy the damn guns are....
work out a little bit ....
people crying about saving a few ounces on a gun when there 50 pounds over weight make me sick.

I'll have you know I'm only 30 pounds overweight.

And I lug alot of gear around too. Us big guys ain't gonna get slowed down by a bunch of stuff. Hell, we're aleady moving slow, what's 50 pounds of gun and paint gonna do?

[xatle]

tournaments need to be broken down into standard gun classes.
pumps (see people using some sweet ram assisted pumps, mech only though)
mech semi's (ran very tight, no sweet spot friendly guns)
unlimited (basically any gun, any mode of fire)

winning the pump or unlimited class will get you 40% of the total entry fee for that class, 2nd gets 20%, 3rd gets 10%, the balance is green fee.

mech semi's being the main event of your tournament circuit would have additional prize money that comes from the tournament advertizing profits.

plan 10 open tournaments to start with, spread them out from coast to coast, then run 1 by invite, with REAL prize money, teams are handicapped by their point total from all the previous tourniments that season.

also, paintball wont make the move from "game" to "sport" (realistically the only people who think its a sport are the ones who play) until cheating stops being regulated via the honor system.
as it is now theres no negative to cheating, its time for some serious action, give people a fealing of fairness about the whole thing, then get some good live radio coverage(a good radio anouncer can make almost anything sound exciting).

hows that sound for a tourny format that the game can grow from?