A marketing idea for AGD

[LaW]

Originally posted by no1beefcake


You just stated the evidence right there. No level 10, it's heavier, and it won't handle CO2. Yes, it'll recharge really fast, but it's no longer the latest or greatest, but it still carries a latest and greatest pricetag.

I think that all the rt pros and stuff come with lvl10 now no?

[no1beefcake]

Originally posted by xatle


for years i ran a standard 20 oz verticle bottle without any trouble at all. even now that i use hpa i keep a verticle asa on my classic so that in the event im stuck useing co2 i can just yank off the drop forward and screw in a co2 tank.

When I first got my current 'Mag, I had heard that they would run fine with a verticle bottle CO2, but mine never would, ever... It'd freeze after very few shots.

[jaylock33]

I find it amusing when people speak of mark ups on products. Sure we can all guess what the mark up is on their products but truth be told only AGD knows what the mark up is. Case in point is that when PS2 was selling for $300 (the price sony had set for it) the retailers were making between $3 and $5 profit for each unit they sold. This in large part was do to manufacturing cost to ensure quality and the large R&D that went in devolping the system. To basically sum up the only people who truly know the mark up are AGD and their Respective dealers.

[shartley]

Originally posted by jaylock33
I find it amusing when people speak of mark ups on products. Sure we can all guess what the mark up is on their products but truth be told only AGD knows what the mark up is. Case in point is that when PS2 was selling for $300 (the price sony had set for it) the retailers were making between $3 and $5 profit for each unit they sold. This in large part was do to manufacturing cost to ensure quality and the large R&D that went in devolping the system. To basically sum up the only people who truly know the mark up are AGD and their Respective dealers.

[Marek]

Originally posted by no1beefcake
You just stated the evidence right there. No level 10, it's heavier, and it won't handle CO2. Yes, it'll recharge really fast, but it's no longer the latest or greatest, but it still carries a latest and greatest pricetag.

Maybe your thinking of another post, but the comment that I made was in reference to you saying that the RT valve was outdated. What I said was not "evidence" somehow backing you up. It still performs just as well as an X-Valve, so that is not a valid point. Again, misinformation on your part.

The original RT valve didn't have lvl. 10 and was heavier than the X-valve. But, that is not the case now, so it no longer holds any weight to your "argument." RTPros now have ULE bodies and X-valves with Lvl. 10.

[no1beefcake]

Originally posted by Marek


Maybe your thinking of another post, but the comment that I made was in reference to you saying that the RT valve was outdated. What I said was not "evidence" somehow backing you up. It still performs just as well as an X-Valve, so that is not a valid point. Again, misinformation on your part.

The original RT valve didn't have lvl. 10 and was heavier than the X-valve. But, that is not the case now, so it no longer holds any weight to your "argument." RTPros now have ULE bodies and X-valves with Lvl. 10.

Any update/improvement to a product makes the previous version of the products "outdated", by definition. The fact that RTPros now have the good stuff (as of very recently) is a small step. They still cost an arm and a leg. The step now should be to move the previous Gen RTPro down in price to the classics current range, with a bump for the included barrel, etc.

[Marek]

Originally posted by no1beefcake


Any update/improvement to a product makes the previous version of the products "outdated", by definition. The fact that RTPros now have the good stuff (as of very recently) is a small step. They still cost an arm and a leg. The step now should be to move the previous Gen RTPro down in price to the classics current range, with a bump for the included barrel, etc.

So ppl with RT valves should now throw away their "outdated" SS rt valves and flock to get new Alum rt valves right? Nice logic.

They are trying to phsse out SS bodies, so there wouldn't be older RT Pros to sell. Even then, not for the price of a classic mag.

[no1beefcake]

Originally posted by Marek


So ppl with RT valves should now throw away their "outdated" SS rt valves and flock to get new Alum rt valves right? Nice logic.

They are trying to phsse out SS bodies, so there wouldn't be older RT Pros to sell. Even then, not for the price of a classic mag.

I never said that people should throw anything away. However, when something is out of date, the price should drop. Instead, AGD just leaves it the same, and prices its replacement even higher.

[abaez]

Originally posted by no1beefcake


I never said that people should throw anything away. However, when something is out of date, the price should drop. Instead, AGD just leaves it the same, and prices its replacement even higher.

The thing is the rt valve is not out of date.. it's still the fastest *proven* recharging valve on the market.

[beam]

Did RogueFactor delete all of his original posts, or were those brought in from another thread? I can't see any of his original posts, only quotes in people's replies.

[shartley]

Originally posted by beam
Did RogueFactor delete all of his original posts, or were those brought in from another thread? I can't see any of his original posts, only quotes in people's replies.

[Marek]

This is getting boring. I ask the same question, and I get is a song and dance. By your words, the RT valve is no longer acceptable, current, or usable. I say that you're wrong and that it is not outdated. That is acceptable, current and usuable. Prove me wrong. If not, then the discussion is over.

[blee70]

Marek...

Marek...

First let me start off with...by no means am I slamming you...

I think you are misconstruing what no1beefcake is trying to say...and this is turning into a pi$$ing match.

I agree with what beefcake is trying to say where AGD should either drop their prices on the classic mag or include some upgrades into a new "package/bundle" to make it appealing for new buyers and gain prospective marketshare.

I have own mags (classics and original RTs) since the mid-90s and have since sold my RTs. In an attempt to upgrade my old trusty mag with the latest upgrades and improvements (ULE, Intelliframe, LV10 and X-valve), I would have to spend close to $500+ if not more to get an upgraded gun. I love the support that AGD provides to its customers and the fact that they are willing to develop their upgrades with them in mind. But wouldn't you agree, I can spend less than $500+ and get a comparable mechanical marker as in a 350 base cocker or upgrade tippman.


Peace!

[Marek]

I have not mentioned anything about the price of the RT Pro, or upgrades or anything concerning the marketing or how pricey or cheap it is.

I brought him up on the statement that the RT valve was outdated. Sorry, but that is not the case. The only reply was had any form of solid reply was that the X-valve was better and it made the RT valve out of date. Again, there is nothing to back that up, since they are essentially the same valve. Some people actually don't care about getting a valve that is 3 oz (or whatever number it is) lighter and would rather stick with their current SS valve. Their is nothing wrong with the SS valve, which is why people still have them.

[no1beefcake]

Originally posted by Marek
I have not mentioned anything about the price of the RT Pro, or upgrades or anything concerning the marketing or how pricey or cheap it is.

I brought him up on the statement that the RT valve was outdated. Sorry, but that is not the case. The only reply was had any form of solid reply was that the X-valve was better and it made the RT valve out of date. Again, there is nothing to back that up, since they are essentially the same valve. Some people actually don't care about getting a valve that is 3 oz (or whatever number it is) lighter and would rather stick with their current SS valve. Their is nothing wrong with the SS valve, which is why people still have them.

Because there improvements have been made, the RT is no longer the upper echelon valve. Yes, it functions well (as long as you aren't using CO2), but it's heavy, and doesn't include Level 10 anti-chop protection. The X-valve is newer and better, there by making the RT obsolete. I have a 333mhz iMac at home that will still run MS Word, and connect to the internet, so would you say that it isn't outdated?