WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

[Miscue]

One problem of telling users to come up with their own videos to prove to themselves that the claims are true, is that when they cannot demonstrate the claims - it could be said that it is because they are doing it wrong.

[SlartyBartFast]

You know here's a thought. Recently a whole lot of cars are being recalled because the HP isn't EXACTLY what is claimed.

This is exactly the same issue. We want to see the claimed numbers demonstrated in a repeatable manner on the equivalent of a dyno.

Otherwise all those performance claims are just set-ups for a big-ol consumer protection lawsuit.

[GT]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
You know here's a thought. Recently a whole lot of cars are being recalled because the HP isn't EXACTLY what is claimed.

This is exactly the same issue. We want to see the claimed numbers demonstrated in a repeatable manner on the equivalent of a dyno.

Otherwise all those performance claims are just set-ups for a big-ol consumer protection lawsuit.

which in itself is ironic since there are any number of factors, including different dynos that can affect hp output.

[afrankart]

Well, I just bought a new featherlite viking. I DIDN't buy it because I heard it "can" cycle at 40 cps. I did buy it because it has a lot of features and is faster and more efficient than my mech mag. I really couldn't care if it does cycle that fast. Sure, it is cool, but entirely useless and chances are you are gonna mess something up a whole lot faster firing it like that. I do beleive that Jim Drew makes good products however. I along with lots of other people would love to see him prove just one of his incredible claims.

Then maybe the anti-hype monkeys will get off his back.

[pito189]

Originally posted by afrankart
Then maybe the anti-hype monkeys will get off his back.

I don't consider myself a monkey, just because I want the truth, and not a bunch of lies and BS thrown at me.

[afrankart]

Looks like I shoulda held the invisible sarcasm sign a little higher.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by afrankart
Looks like I shoulda held the invisible sarcasm sign a little higher.

You better watch it afrankart! Don't you know the sarcasm gestapo is out in full effect?

LOL!

Anyways, did your Viking arrive yesterday? got any pics yet?

[afrankart]

No, it is not here yet.... It's looking like early next week. I already have the razorblade trigger, eyes, and CCM norise just sitting here. I'll be sure to get some pics when I everything together.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

viking

I think Vikings rock and are the best gun out there right now.. I think they can shoot faster than anyone not using zero debounce can shoot... I think they can outshoot a halo for sure.... and I think they smoke all mags and don't own a mag so that is a lame excuse for you to use for why I am arguing this...but the whole point here is that if there is no proof of the 40cps, he should have never used it as a marketing line. It is an unsubstantiated claim and deserves to be put to the test, and some of you are such "yes men" to the big companies you are offended because they are being challenged and can't back their claims. You want to believe hype and get ripped off (not saying this is one, but there have been tons) then fine, your call, but don't come into this thread knocking J+C because he wants WAS to put up or shut up. Maybe the title was a little sarcastic, but some of you are the ones acting like jerks now because he wants to discuss this. Contribute to the discussion in a positive way or take a walk.

[Steelrat]

You want to believe hype and get ripped off (not saying this is one, but there have been tons) then fine, your call, but don't come into this thread knocking J+C because he wants WAS to put up or shut up. Maybe the title was a little sarcastic, but some of you are the ones acting like jerks now because he wants to discuss this. Contribute to the discussion in a positive way or take a walk.

So, if we don't nod our heads and agree with Jack, we should take a walk? Some of us are not naive. Jack took a sarcastic tone in the original questioning of Jim Drew. The majority of the people in that thread disgreed with him, so he took the fight here. YES, Jim does hype. YES, Jack did toss in a bit too much sarcasm.

You guys hanging on the Drew's/Ethan's/Smart-Parts of the world are just cattle who bristle when reminded of your own apathy and lack of courage. You'd rather buy an upgrade and brag about what someone else *says* it can do rather than develop the skills and mindset to determine yourselves whether you've been lied to and paid hard earned money to only "feel good."

This is the best line yet. Lack of courage? Hello, McFly! We are talking about PAINTBALL GUNS here. This isnt something earthshattering like a discussion of human rights in China . Please, don't try to paint those who disgree with Jack as gutless cattle, thats a little too melodramatic for the topic at hand.

I hate to break it to you all, but none of us is going to be able to get 40 cps out of our Vikings, no matter how much we play with the trigger and debounce. I am sure that Jim Drew utilized some custom software and hardware to get a viking to that speed, if indeed that ever took place. And I am also sure that if he did do it, he is not going to provide any proof, as there is absolutely no reason for him to do so. Frankly, all the people crapping all over him are probably not going to be swayed into buying any of his products, no matter how much proof, footage, etc he provides.

[Jack & Coke]

LOL!

I created this thread HERE on AO because I thought AO was still full of critical thinkers. People who have higher standards. People who demand the truth! People who are anti-hype. People who are realistic. People who like to investigate. People who like to test things. People who are objective thinkers. People of integrity. People who are trustworthy of honest unbiased opinions ...and of course, people who have a sense of humor.

It appears I may have been wrong.

I crack up at how hyper sensative some of you are when it comes to the topic of "sarcasm". LOL! Especially when it regards the performance capabilities of marker you either own or would like to sleep with.

LOL!

The thread topic is WAS's claim regarding the stock Viking and it's supposed capability to hit 40 cycles per second. I didn't even ask the harder question of COMPLETE Legit CYCLES or whether it had NO DROP OFF.

I never even said it couldn't be done. I just politely asked HOW HE GOT 40 and if he had any PROOF. If there's none, then so be it. Say so, and we move on.

Instead of helping to answer the questions, a few jock riders start crying about how I was too sarcastic. Too mean to WAS. Oooooo big bad Jack & Coke... how dare he question WAS. He makes our gunz roxor! Everything he says must be true!

My conclusion: AO has caught the PBN.

[Miscue]

Some of us know what you mean... and appreciate your posts.

[LaW]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke

My conclusion: AO has caught the PBN.

Seems so doesn't it

[SkyBoySurfer]

Rock on J&C Rock on!!!

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

steelrat

Steelrat, my biggest issue is people are dismissing J+C's claim that the WAS statement was bogus and requires proof by basically saying that we must just be jealous of the WAS boarded guns which is just moronic and the "if WAS said it, it's got to be close enough so drop the issue" mentality. That's not contributing, that's being narrowminded.