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[Ken Majors]

I have only owned Tippmanns

But I always wanted a Mag...
If this thing comes out priced at $400 bucks. I am getting one. Maybe a tad more. But if it gets much over that I will more than likely stick with an A-5 with all the bells and whistles. Right now I shoot a 98C R/T. I am no speedballer, I don't want a glow in the dark racegun that is teflon coated and velcro snapped. I like owning the Ak47 of paintball guns. But this Tac one is "Dead Sexxy"
I am a scenerio, woodsballer...exclusively. Can you imagine seeing me in a purple jersey snap shooting around an inflatable bunker? Or diving into the "snake"?
Yeah well, me 2 neither, but I love to play with my friends and use my old Ranger knowledge and slither about in the woods.
I think the Tac One is a ****hot marker and I want one...but the bottom line is...if it cost more than my first car ($500), I will probably not make the plunge into the realm of the Automag.

And I agree wholeheartedly with Fellow Tippmann Forumer Enos Shenk above.^^^

[speedyejl]

Re: I have only owned Tippmanns

Originally posted by Ken Majors
I am no speedballer, I don't want a glow in the dark racegun that is teflon coated and velcro snapped. I like owning the Ak47 of paintball guns. But this Tac one is "Dead Sexxy"
I am a scenerio, woodsballer...exclusively. Can you imagine seeing me in a purple jersey snap shooting around an inflatable bunker? Or diving into the "snake"?
Yeah well, me 2 neither, but I love to play with my friends and use my old Ranger knowledge and slither about in the woods.

ugh

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by Big_M
They would have to modify the X-valve first, and then an expansion chamber might be able to get rid of most of the problems, but if you try to CO2 with an un modified X-valve, it just won't work out, expansion chamber or not

well im thinking this under the thought that it would use the classic valve instead or an alternate option

[Big_M]

Oh, I see, well didn't tom mention making a co2 tolerant X-valve, or are they most likely just going with the classic valve?

[speedyejl]

Originally posted by Big_M
Oh, I see, well didn't tom mention making a co2 tolerant X-valve, or are they most likely just going with the classic valve?

Read up Co2 tolerant Xvalve WAS mentioned

[warpedside671]

i don't care iwant one

WELL I THINK WITH THE TAC-ONE YOU GOT THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.THE TAC-ONE FEATURES EVERY THING THAT I WANT FOR A
MAG .I STILL PLAY WITH MY 68 CLASSIC AND I WILL GO UP AGINST ANY ELECTRO ANY TIME.ID SAY A GOOD LOW PRICE WOULD BE AROUND$400 ,REASON BEING THE FEATURES THE TAC-ONE COMES WITH "YOU CAN'T GO WRONG" A HIGH PRICE WOULD BE $6OO .SURE IT MAY SOUND EXPENSIVE BUT YOUR BUYING A QUALLITY PRODUCT
IF YOU LOOK AT TIPMANS THEY HAVE SO MANY OF EM ,WHY UPGRADES UPGRADES UPGRADES MEANING SPENDING MORE MONEY.
WITH THE TACK-ONE IT GOTS ALL YOU NEED
NOTE TO TOM ......I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW MUCH THE TAC-ONE COST .WHEN I BUY A TAC-ONE IM BUYING QUALITY .WHEN YOU DO GET THE FINAL PRICEING DONE E-MAIL ME @[email protected]

THANKYOU

[Pariel]

well...

First of all, to compete with the A-5 for scenario ballers money, you're gonna need to be in its price range, or not far from. You're not gonna get a lot of people's money if you decide to sell this baby for over $300. Thats because the A-5 appeals to the audience it was made for, since it looks realistic and has a ton of upgrades that allow it to almost exactly simulate a real gun. And its stock price is somewhere around $230. I would say A)pull the Intelliframe and X-Valve, most rec/scenario players don't use HPA, and won't care about the electronics, and people are shifting away from the easily broken Revvys. B) lose the cocker barrel. That would bring the price down A LOT! To take on the A-5 you also need to have a VERY durable and easy to field strip marker, and while the Automag design meets one of those, i have yet to field strip one, and don't know how fast that is. Without a quick field strip system (in other words, less than 1 minute take apart time) you're going to be losing lots of customers like me who that matters A LOT to. With the Picatanny rail system you will attract some more people, but only those who know where to get good, cheap night vision and infrared systems. If you were able to work something out with companies that manufacture these products and sell them along with or as options for the tac-one. I also think that you need to put a number, or find, some NV devices that are within the $200-$600 price range, because people don't want to be able to buy a used car for the same price as the NVGs, they aren't the military.

So, overall i think you're looking at a $300 price tag (w/out x-valve and intelliframe) to be able to get your marker to take the market. You also need to somehow make a number of good/cheap NV devices available to your customers to make this marker really sell, because the Tac-One can be said to look anything but real. If I were able to mount a cheap NV system on it though, i would take it over the A-5.

And props to Enos for his post.

And i have just one question: why'd you choose to enter the market? other than its huge, because its hard to beat the VF-Tactical, and harder to beat the A-5 in sales.

[ChucktheMAGician]

Pariel, remove one screw and the whole valve slides out, no problem field stripping a mag. Also the last comment about beating the VF tactical, I agree w/ Enos Shenk "But the day that I pay $650 for a black painted '03 cocker with a metal pneumatics rail/shroud will be the day I hit the lottery."

[Pariel]

good points on both counts, but i've seen quite a few players who use the VF-Tactical, so i was just pointing it out. I think it shouldn't be too hard for AGD to overcome THAT pricing, the A-5 is the real worry, but the reality is that people do use them, and do like them.

[Jerhew]

I would say A)pull the Intelliframe and X-Valve, most rec/scenario players don't use HPA, and won't care about the electronics, and people are shifting away from the easily broken Revvys.

Tom mentioned a very simple mod that will convert an x-valve to basically a co2 tolerant non reactive valve(and you can change it back if/when you get a nitro tank)

Tom also mentioned something about a choice of grips..with the i-frame as a factory upgrade(fyi the i and y-frames are awesome grips regardless of if you're running your hopper/warp off them)

lose the cocker barrel. That would bring the price down A LOT

what?
it's just a cocker threaded barrel...it's not any more expensive than any other barrel and in fact it's cheaper than the old twist lock mag barrels


one thing that was said earlier that should be reiterated:
either sell it with a 12ounce anti siphon co2 tank or put a warning on the box that the gun reacts poorly to liquid co2 and should only be used with an anti-siphon tank
anti siphon co2 tanks aren't much more than regular tanks...i really don't even understand why they don't all come with anti-siphon tubes

[warpedside671]

Ok I have a suggestion for the whole co2 problem...own a old mag?Use your old valve for c02 and your x-valve for hpa
if your scared of liquid co2 entering your marker use a anti siphon tank.Still scared use the anti siphon tank with a coiled remote line ...Every ones a crittic either
you love it or hate it.The whole thing with the tippmans and the vf .I like to be diffrent I want a TAC-ONE with a
x-valve and with a I-frame I know every cent will be worth it......thank you

[Jerhew]

good point
but i think the idea behind this move is to get people into mags that have never owned one
ie- the tippman/spyder-clone(blowback) crowd

it also appears that they're looking to make the x-valve more or less a stock item and have come up with a way to use it with co2 with a simple, non-permanent internal change

one thing that does kind of worry me is that if you do this, your basically making it into a classic valve...
you can't get co2 and a reactive trigger
oh well...i guess ya can't win 'em all

[warpedside671]

WELL IM SURE THE TAC ONE WILL BE A HIT TO THE PBALL INDUSTRY =)IF YOU PRICE IT RIGHT WE WILL BUY ....

[warpedside671]

oh yea as for the hpa I live near a dive shop so where ever I play I just have some divetanks filled for the days use..... did I mention that my girlfriends dad has 10 mags he is the one who stopped me from uying a spyder and gave me a "once was a rental mag " to play with with this classic I have went up aginst mid to high electros and got off the field with earned respect .....

[Pariel]

Originally posted by Jerhew

what?
it's just a cocker threaded barrel...it's not any more expensive than any other barrel and in fact it's cheaper than the old twist lock mag barrels

The "that would bring the price down a lot" was in reference to taking the x-valve, intelliframe, and barrel away.

The reason i say lose the barrel is because people will upgrade it anyway. you could send them a tube wit an inch of porting, and i don't think people would care a bit, because few people keep the barrels their guns come with.