Smart Parts Strikes Again! now its AKA

[Cyberious]

Originally posted by AGD
Mechanical triggers could bypass all the problems of lawsuits and cheater boards but until YOU the playing public believes its cooler to shoot someone out based on skill then its not going to happen.

AGD

Some of us do...I've been using my Z-gripped Old School RT for the past couple of months just because it is a design ahead of its time (I just wish there was a ULT for it) and it is incredibly tight and is very gratifying to use it agamst electros.

Also, if you notice some of my responses about the Tac One I want one so bad I could taste it.

It would be interesting to see AGD Pride walk on thei field with Nicad's markers. I guarantee they would do just as well because of their skill not because they have a certain marker. Imagine the PR around the PB world if they were to win a tourney or even place in the top 5 with mechanical markers.

So when can I give you some money for my TacOne?????

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

gtrsi

GTRSI re-introduced the idea of mech tournies and I added the concept that it should market itself apart from the other leagues in that rules are enforced, good sportsmanship is promoted, and such. This is something absolutely absent in paintball tourneys but something that could have a significant market segment waiting for it. The question is, is there enough people who want to play like this? I think too many pballers today would rather take all the shortcuts they can to win and would never go for this format. AGD is right, it's the players causing E-markers to be a neccessity. I'd love mech-format, I think 20 people firing 20-30bps with trigger bounce makes for a dumb game, skill in moves and positioning is what thrills me.

[spantol]

Threats of violence aside, I'd be very interested in contributing to a legal fund, if one were established.

Originally posted by 03vert
i say we should put some money in and make a pot to donate to aka's defense and also hit anyone in the face that has a imp or "nerve" or shocker ect. and says that smart parts rules. ive said it all along, i hate em. and yes i do have a bushy but that only feeds my urge to spend my money on paint that i dont CHOP but SHOOT as would be the case with any smart parts product. and we really should take some kind of action instead of whining about how much its a bite in the *** to paintball.

[GT]

Originally posted by cledford
SP is the Wal-Mart of the paintball world

classic

[Beemer]

Me to

I'm saying I understand some details can't be divulged but there are many of us here who see beyond the whole "boycott SP and nazi sign" type of action and would love to know what we can actually do to help out AGD, that some people do act like kids but many day-to-day players are not just mindless consumers.

I agree we need to get some serious Synergy going.

So Tom what can we do?

[ezrunner]

mech's etc

The truth is that everyone likes to shoot fast and electro's make that happen.

I don't know AGD's stand on the lawsuit, but the karma gods are super p-o'ed at the SP boys.

I think the world of Larry Alexander and his support of College Paintball and his championship of the sportsmanship in our industry.

I think the only thing holding back the viking is the production levels, but that isn't hurting AKA. They are a great little company and God Bless them, AGD, and anyone else who wants to stand up to this frivolous patent abuse.

It upset me to read the patent and look at how the modifications were done. This is an end run around a system that is in place to protect the rights of innovators, and a couple of thugs have ripped it off and are makeing a killing doing it.

Their biggest mistake was not letting WDP take an easy way out. They got one of the best financed groups in paintball wanting to fight and I think WDP will save us all.

-rob

[Cyberious]

Re: mech's etc

Originally posted by ezrunner Their biggest mistake was not letting WDP take an easy way out. They got one of the best financed groups in paintball wanting to fight and I think WDP will save us all.

-rob

They do and I'll buy an A4 just for grins and giggles and will no longer pick on my wife for shooting a Dark Angel.

[ezrunner]

that was a nice angel, was the other stuff an xmas gift or what?

[Cyberious]

Nope I just got her the stuff because she's a good paintball playing wife. She loves that Angel and the matching mask I got from you guys too! She's getting Diamonds for Christmas.

[demonguy8]

Re: mech's etc

Originally posted by ezrunner
The truth is that everyone likes to shoot fast and electro's make that happen.

Their biggest mistake was not letting WDP take an easy way out. They got one of the best financed groups in paintball wanting to fight and I think WDP will save us all.

-rob

Agreed people like to shoot fast... In fact that is the SOLE reason I traded my rtpro away to get my 2k3 shocker. I beleive that it will take KINGMAN to step in and throw down the cash to be able to finally put SP in thier place, but they will have to jump in now, or risk a dangerous precedent being set against them.

I would like to see the LEAGUES adopt anti SPgun rules if they continue their quest for monopoly..Or all the other manufacturers filing a class action lawsuit against SP for impeding technology (with regards to their patent)

Maybe the leagues will stand up and make an anti-sp gun league or an all mech league. Its the promoters and players league.. Its their money thats getting lost, this is a EASY and legal way to hit SP where it hurts.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Kingman/BE

But who's the say Kingman and BE will need to fight, SP may be talking to them right now saying they would be happy to just have them agree that SP is right and to not challenge the agreement in exchange for being allowed to produce electronic markers freely with no contest. Sun Tsu or whatever (someone please correct me on the author) wrote The Art of War, which basically addresses the idea that if the enemy is weaker or equal, you should fight it but if they are bigger, run or find a better option. That is what SP knows they need to do with the giant companies and what they have done with NPS. If they can get all but the biggest companies settle with them, they will have done well enough. If kingman, be, and such won, they may have to forfeit the licensing agreement they signed with ICD and such. I'm sure they don't want to risk that.

[50 cal]

Lots of people preen and posture about SP, but no one really will do much about it. The costs of any litigation or royalty fees will be passed onto us, the consumers wether we shoot an electro or not. If the company XYZ makes an electro and mech guns, the price on both will go up to cover the costs of the ltigation and royalties.

Face it, it's a giant crap sandwich, and eventually, if you play p-ball, we will all have to take a bite if you buy a new gun if SP bullies every one over.

Just one guys honest opinion.

[danheneise]

i think it would be ironic to see SP go after AGD, after all the All-Americans used to shoot mags

[RusskiX]

I'm not exactly sure that SP is trying to gain a monopoly on electro markers. The way the patent enforcement works is that they just get a nice royalty on everyone else's marker sold, without having to do anything further. So this ensures a nice in-flow of cash with no further design, development, marketing, etc. In fact, the more markers the "competition" sells ,the more $$$ they stand to gain.

They don't want to necessarily shut the competition down, just ensure they get a larger piece of the pie for EVERY marker sold.

[White_Noise]

agreeing with several other people that have posted, the entire paintball community needs to ban together to stop smart parts. Consumers, distributers and producers all have to join the fight. consumers need to boycott sp products, distributers need to stop selling these products, and the producers need to join together and help aka win this. by banning together now, it will save us all money in the long run.

it will be a sad day when the only electros are the impulse and the gas-guzzling shocker.

as for mech leagues, i dont believe that there is enough people that are willing to give up their electros. for those comments about skills instead of volume, then for this to be true paintball should have never went semi-auto. personally, i love my mech cocker...one of the fastest mech cockers out there...but the e-cocker deffinately puts me into the same class as everyone else using angels, imps, matrices, etc.

BAN TOGETHER! If we dont stop them now, they will continue on until paintball becomes smart partsball!