Smart Parts Strikes Again! now its AKA

[nicad]

yall, SP legally HAS to "go after" infringers of their patent. If they don't, they lose the ownership of the patent and it becomes public domain. now, im not saying they are operating out of good will for the community. Heck from my limited knowledge I even question the legitimacy of the filing of some of their recent patents, etc.. but they "own" them at this point and must act on infringements.

As for mechanical guns, as some of you might know, I have built a mechanical trigger frame which feels like an electro and has been tested to 20.4bps on an Xvalved mag. I personally can pull 14.5bps on it.. enough to warrant the use of a Halo.

We (Deadlywind) are currently working with a major paintball company to see if it is producible. There is a lot of paperwork which has to take place for it to happen. I have talked to Tom about it and in the end I would like for AGD to be able to use this technology to their full advantage when/if it becomes available.. I believe if approached correctly it could turn a lot of things upsidedown.

out!

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

trigger

Nicad, I haven't heard anything of this yet, but it sounds really cool. I guess my major curiousity is of the complexity of it. As you may have seen on my sear idea, the principles of the physics can be changed but always involved a tradeoff, I'd love to see how yours kept the advantages without the negatives but I also understand how you may not want to divulge the details just yet. Congrats, and I'm dying to see it.

[White_Noise]

nicad

i see what you are saying about them having to go after infringers. now i dont know exactly what the patent states, but i would like to(anyone have a copy, internet address, etc they could send me, it would be much appreciated)([email protected])(dirtygroun d17 on aim). but i dont quite see how a patent can be made when other companies already have products that would fall under the patent. but like i said...we dont want to be playing "smart parts ball"

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

is smart parts trying to piss everyone off? i got over with that smart parts patent but now this? i have to agree with some people.

I REFUSE TO OWN, DISTRIBUTE, OR RECOMMEND ANY SMART PARTS PRODUCT!

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

patent

this IS the SP patent issue Suicidal, it's just moved to the next company and made it clear they mean to continue.

[spantol]

Nicad, I'm not explicitly doubting you, but can anyone point me to a cite for this? I know that this is true for trademarks, but I can't dig up any sort of official verification that it holds for patents. The USPTO's "General Information Concerning Patents" doesn't seem to mention this, and only states that a patent holder "may sue for relief in the appropriate Federal court."

Originally posted by nicad
yall, SP legally HAS to "go after" infringers of their patent. If they don't, they lose the ownership of the patent and it becomes public domain.

[Ginjiroku]

In order to effectivly ban smart parts and make it have any effect on smart parts you would have to have most of the paintball community on your side and the only way to get that many people activly on your side is a mass brainwashing. So there really is no way to ban smart parts and have it make a difference. I can't think of a way to stop smart parts.
I have enough troble affording a marker without the extra cost so after smart parts is done with there evil plan I'll barely be able to paintball.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

ban

the ban won't work. period.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

you guys do whatever you want, but my money isn't going to sp

[DjGruv]

Re: SUPPORT

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
If AGD, WGP, WDP, and the other major companies were smart, they'd financially support AKA's fight because if SP wins they're screwed and it's worth it to fight this time and aim to win. If you keep thinking only of your company SP is going to plow through, one by one, and you'll be screwed eventually. But I'm sure you have a gameplan already.

Well AGD has no money, WDP will get there chance very soon, and WGP already works with SP.

[Evil1]

I just think this whole thing is a disgrace. I don't understand why SP would do this. Is this whole thing for money? I would think Billy and Adam must be pretty comfortable financially w/ all of the products and patents they have and all of the tournies they have won. Why would they try to hurt the sport like this? Some of the threads I have read talk about how this was rotten to do before the holidays. I think it is wrong now matter what time of year it was. Beside I think I said it once before but I'm pretty sure the angel came out before any SP electro. I think it was called the angel v6 or something, but if they did make an electro first, you don't see them going around suing eveyone.

[demonguy8]

Theres exactly 4 scenarios I see for stopping SP...

1. Kingman (not be/k2 since Be doesnt make many if any electros) jumps and helps AGD/AKA before a precedent gets set
probability: doubtful but the best shot

2. SP Wins and the manufacturers file a class action lawsuit for impeding technology within the sport of paintball
probability: uncertain (this is without being a lawyer to know how well this claim stacks up, or if its been thought of yet)

3. The paintball leagues (which are player/industry run) vote an issue to BAN ALL SP MADE GUNS (or even products) on the series. (THE EASIEST AND CHEAPEST solution but SP still gets royalties)
probability: dont bet on it cuz SP will throw enough money around in whatever league wins the NPPL/PSP war to buy whatever votes they need.. Tho it should be mentioned this is also completely legal.

4.The insurance companies realize that the proliferation of cheater software and electro bounce has pushed the safety limits much farther than the still inexplicably banned 13bps full auto. Insurance companies then ban together to not insure any field/tourny using electronically fired paintball markers.. AGD and WGP then become jiont monopolizers of an industry, Glenn Palmer releases the Tempest for sale (an autococker with an RT trigger). RT triggers become the mainstay of most whined about/shady thing in the business.
Probability: ehh sadly better than most but there will always be money for the one insurance company that lets the most slide for the least money...

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

DJGRUV

DJGRUV, please elaborate how WGP works with SP. Not saying you're wrong, just maybe I'm missing something news-wise that will fill in the blank...

[Timmee]

Originally posted by demonguy8

not be/k2 since Be doesnt make many if any electros

Actually, Brass Eagle had the Rainmaker, and has very recently come out with the E-Prodigy (it's currently sold at Wal-Mart, among other places). So SP has to go after Brass Eagle in some way, if they want to show they stand behind their patent. If they do go after them, my money's on K2/Brass Eagle.

[cledford]

Re: gtrsi

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
GTRSI re-introduced the idea of mech tournies and I added the concept that it should market itself apart from the other leagues in that rules are enforced, good sportsmanship is promoted, and such.

Dude, I'm totally there with you guys, I'd love such a tourney format - especially if national. BUT the core constituency of the paintball market is still the 14-18 year old kid. I reiterate a point of mine from a previous post, for them paintball and especially markers aren't about buying the *best* equipment - it is about buying the most popular equipment. Combine that with the "bad-boy image" that is selling like hotcakes and you've got a real tough sell with a mech-only, above the board, sportsmanship based tourney scene. It just don't have the schizzle or nizzle or what ever...

Until the 2 things happen, paintball shifts back from an image driven market and people actually embrace that fact that plain and simple a spider is every bit as accurate as a $1800 Angel/Viking/Timmy/Shocker (or what ever) due to the unchangeable fact that the projectile is hopelessly flawed, mech is going to be a tough sell.

-Calvin