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  • -=Squid=-

    #16
    Originally posted by shartley

    Want to borrow my Stroker?
    Want to GIVE me your stroker?


    P.S. Lemme borrow it for a tourney sometimes! (Seriously )

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    • Torbo
      teamless
      • Apr 2003
      • 1737

      #17
      it does make a difference. Probably biggest place i notice it is off the break. Its way easier to accelerate with a lighter gun. When playing snake for example, people often superman dive. Its reallu awkward to do this with a heavy gun. It tends to hit the ground. Lighter markers are easier to swing around, easier to handle etc.
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      • shartley
        paintball player
        • Mar 2001
        • 9169

        #18
        Originally posted by -=Squid=-
        Want to GIVE me your stroker?


        P.S. Lemme borrow it for a tourney sometimes! (Seriously )
        LOL Yeah, right. But if we are ever at an event or field together, you are more than welcome to borrow it.

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        • -=Squid=-

          #19
          Originally posted by shartley

          LOL Yeah, right. But if we are ever at an event or field together, you are more than welcome to borrow it.
          You better come to the memphis indoor next year.

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          • Butterfingers
            PhD in Automagology
            • Jan 2001
            • 2263

            #20
            I dont buy into it...

            I have just finished making the heaviest mag EVAR!!!

            Greater than 60 percent of my gun is made from Stainless steel!!!
            Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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            • shartley
              paintball player
              • Mar 2001
              • 9169

              #21
              Originally posted by -=Squid=-
              You better come to the memphis indoor next year.
              I will have to see. I know I am traveling farther than that this year, so as long as I can plan for it, it is possible.

              To make sure, just remind me well in advance next time, okay?

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              • -=Squid=-

                #22
                Originally posted by shartley

                I will have to see. I know I am traveling farther than that this year, so as long as I can plan for it, it is possible.

                To make sure, just remind me well in advance next time, okay?
                Agreed... its the only BIG tournement within driving distance for us. Were looking at bigger events, but were to poor to fly... were gonna try to work something out.

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                • LeatherPants
                  Bunkers fear me!
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1098

                  #23
                  As far as light markers go I'm all for it. Not saying that I'm out or shape or lack the drive to get in shape either. I'm in the gym 5 days a week and at 5'8" 155lbs can more than double my weight on the bench.

                  BUT. I will be the first to agree that at the end of the day a lighter marker is nice. I play back and my marker almost never comes down during a game. Yea in the end it's not THAT much weight but try holding a 10 lb plate in front of you for an extended period of time. You get tired.

                  So in the end if I can shave weight off my marker with milling, lighter tank etc I will.

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                  • Wc Keep

                    #24
                    the only time that a lightweight gun is needed is when you are snapshooting/going from one side to the other. thordic hit it on the head. off the break i notice no difference but when im actually in my bunker and have to start snapping out thats where a lighter gun makes a difference.

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                    • dinger
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 1267

                      #25
                      recoil/blowback isn't that bad in some cases...

                      for example, my friends eblade freeflow has more kick than a bull, and because of this you can sweetspot the thing and make it keep shooting but its kinda hard to do it

                      yet, it also shakes like a bloody machine gun and the barrel is twitching like someone having a seizure
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                      • ForgedSpeed
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                        • Nov 2002
                        • 165

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Torbo
                        it does make a difference. Probably biggest place i notice it is off the break. Its way easier to accelerate with a lighter gun. When playing snake for example, people often superman dive. Its reallu awkward to do this with a heavy gun. It tends to hit the ground. Lighter markers are easier to swing around, easier to handle etc.
                        So you would run considerably slower if I attached two 1 pound weights to your ankles? Thats about the difference between a heavy and light gun. I can not comment on the superman dive personally, but i would image it is awkward because they do not have enough practice with heavy setups.


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                        • mark_426
                          I kill Halos...
                          • May 2003
                          • 1040

                          #27
                          Originally posted by ForgedSpeed


                          So you would run considerably slower if I attached two 1 pound weights to your ankles? Thats about the difference between a heavy and light gun. I can not comment on the superman dive personally, but i would image it is awkward because they do not have enough practice with heavy setups.


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                          I would assume that he means speed in bringing the gun up...and the superman dive would definetally be harder, can you lay down on a bench (since you apparantly work out so much, and flame us for not) and with your arm(s) outstreched, hold a 15 pound weight as long or comfortably as a 5 or 10? Can you stand and hold a 10 or 15 up in front of you as easily as a 5 or 7.5?
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                          • Load SM5
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                            • Oct 2000
                            • 6772

                            #28
                            Your football analogy is a tad off since the extra weight is pretty evenly distributed over the entire person. when it's all down hanging from one hand you'd be suprised how much different a 6 ounces can make. Especially in todays X-Ball games where you're out there for 20 minutes matches.

                            For the front guys slinging the extra weight around can slow a guy down and make quick movements more awkward. Instead of attaching those 2 pounds weight to your ankles, try attaching them to the wrist of your right hand and try a zig zag run down the field. It can throw you off, since it's unevenly distributed.

                            For back guys who are constantly guns up stopping only for a few seconds to reload the extra weight could keep fatigue down and make switching sides easier and faster. And lets face it, if you had the option of a lighter gun, then why not?

                            It's not that players are lazy, it's that players like to eek every bit of edge out of their equipment possible. Less weight is an edge.

                            Recoil is rarely a problem since lower pressure guns and smaller lighter bolts are evolving along with marker technology.


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                            • ForgedSpeed
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 165

                              #29
                              Originally posted by mark_426


                              I would assume that he means speed in bringing the gun up...and the superman dive would definetally be harder, can you lay down on a bench (since you apparantly work out so much, and flame us for not) and with your arm(s) outstreched, hold a 15 pound weight as long or comfortably as a 5 or 10? Can you stand and hold a 10 or 15 up in front of you as easily as a 5 or 7.5?
                              Common man, im didnt mean to flame and whatnot, so if I did - my apologies.

                              I have never preformed a superman dive, maybe I should try sometime, but it seems to me that if you could do it with a 5 pound gun, then with some practice you can do it with a 10. But maybe i have no idea what im talkin about
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                              • ForgedSpeed
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                                • Nov 2002
                                • 165

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Load SM5
                                It's not that players are lazy, it's that players like to eek every bit of edge out of their equipment possible. Less weight is an edge.
                                I understand this, in the same way that people want 50 more shots per tank, 2 more bps, ect.

                                The reason why I posted this topic and asked was because it seemed to me, a person that has read paintball forums daily for 2 years, that in the past couple months weight have become the biggest issue, maybe this is because of the ULE thing, but it appears to be the same trend over at pbnation.com for example.

                                Anyway, thanks guys.
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