With all due respect.....

[felony]

in RE to only loosing 1-2 oz..

i believe you may lose up to 3 OZ with the XVavle, and yet everyone wants those. That extra 1-2 oz off the gun will make them do everything faster

With the ULE hype, people would buy buy buy

dan

[Digits]

Originally posted by felony
in RE to only loosing 1-2 oz..

i believe you may lose up to 3 OZ with the XVavle, and yet everyone wants those. That extra 1-2 oz off the gun will make them do everything faster

With the ULE hype, people would buy buy buy

dan

umm.. No.. The x-valve EASILLY, weighs half of the classic valve (i'm holding both right now, and there is no comparision.. The X-valve is WAAAAAY lighter)

Plus the x-valve has a faster recharge rate, so thats a performance issue to

[felony]

ahh..

I believe it is only a 3oz difference. If not then I guess I am wrong. I know I just read that somewhere.

In RE to it being a performance issue, I thought they were the exact same thing? Maybe I am stupid but I thought the valves were the same except for one being lighter

guess not though

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Digits


umm.. No.. The x-valve EASILLY, weighs half of the classic valve (i'm holding both right now, and there is no comparision.. The X-valve is WAAAAAY lighter)

Plus the x-valve has a faster recharge rate, so thats a performance issue to

Yes, the X-Valve is much lighter than the Classic and has a MUCH higher re-charge rate but that's not you should compare it to. The compairison is between the X-Valve and the Retro/E-Mag/RT-Pro valve. The recharge rate is exaxcty the same and since the rear of the Retro is already Al you only lose a small amount.

These small changes in weight are what we are talking about. 2-3oz here and 2-3oz there. If it was really that important why not use a material that's just as strong (I'm sure you've seen the picture of the single trigger Mag carbon fiber frame holding up the car) but weighs significantly less?

Here's your answer:

Originally posted by Digits
Ya but it looks like crap.. And I bet the max you'd loose in weight would be like 1-2 ounces..

I'm not going to pay $25 plus shipping to lose a few ounces off my rail but plenty of people do.

The fact that people do pay a lot to lose a few ounces but will not use carbon fiber just shows that it's not all about performance.

[nuclear zombie]

If I can get a lighter gun with the same performace, and reliability then why not? Most people own an automag because they are minimalistic marker , they don't have crap they don't need and if I don't need more weight then I don't want it.

Also there are at least five gun types that can boast around 31bps,and can get at least 1000 shots off of a 68/45, so what seperates them , size and weight.

[mark_426]

carbon fiber is lighter and stronger, and to say the least, i'd use it, but its so much more expensive (well, in barrels at least), for example, a stiffi is like 129 or something, and a dye ultralite is like 60-70? why pay twice as much unless its a kit?

if noone uses carbon fiber because it is cheap plastic, whats macro line? how about air tanks, how many people use steel ones? weight doesn't make that much difference for me, if it did, i wouldn't play back, i wouldn't use an egg, i'd have a ule mag with a conquest and stiffi. to a point, i've only got to say, why bother?

also, on x valves versus rt's, I'd take the retro, because I don't like screwing a SS fitting into an aluminum valve, because I'd strip it out after moving hoses around for the umpteenth time. That's one place (for me) where strength overtakes the weight

i dont know if i accomplished anything, i was just in the mountain for 2 hours trying to get an excursion un-stuck, but im done now

[tyrion2323]

Where can I see this picture of a 'mag trigger holding up a car?

[phantomhitman]

i jsut seen that pic like 30 minutes ago. it was on 247 paintball forums, but i got the link from here. when i went to 247 forums i didnt like it too much when i seen them bashing mags.

[Tyger]

A little perspective :



This is an EXC-68, AKA "The Chaingun". As you see it here, it weighs in about 9 pounds, plus the weight of paint. It balances nice with a 20 oz. tank tho.

Remove the hopper, and the tank, it's a 6 pound paintgun. I've played with this gun, I've run through the woods with this gun. Yes, it's heavy stuff.

The tubes next to it are 140 pods, placed there for size reference. The mask is a JT Whipper Snapper. Yes, it's been played in too.

So when someone picks up my E-mag and says "Wow, this thing is heavy!" I smile, thank them for their opinion, and figure they wouldn't know what to do with the "Chaingun".

"Old School, New Tricks"

-Tyger

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by mark_426
also, on x valves versus rt's, I'd take the retro, because I don't like screwing a SS fitting into an aluminum valve, because I'd strip it out after moving hoses around for the umpteenth time. That's one place (for me) where strength overtakes the weight

I agree with almost everything you said but....

The back half of the Retro valve is made out of Aluminum. It's just the front that's Stainless.

[Cryer]

Originally posted by TheTramp



I agree with almost everything you said but....

The back half of the Retro valve is made out of Aluminum. It's just the front that's Stainless.

I thought it was all SS. Just a matte finish on the back half...

[mark_426]

Originally posted by TheTramp

The back half of the Retro valve is made out of Aluminum. It's just the front that's Stainless.

I know the back half is aluminum, and the part with the air port (the front half) is stainless.

heres a visual:

[TheTramp]

Ah yes...good point.:o