With all due respect.....

[badinfo]

Well, in the army i carried 50-60 pounds of gear. 15 years or more of reenacting I toted 12 pound muskets along o the other junk on my back. All paintguns seem light to me
My AT4 runs about 5 pounds, I like the weight. Feels solid, anything lighter would feel toylike to me. Of course I dont do speedball with it

[Fixion]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
Lighter markers = longer play w/o the fatigue on your arm. I used to not complain about the weight of mags (pre ULE) but it wasn't til I started going ULE that I realized how much easier it is to carry and run with a lighter mag (2.6lb roughly) then say a 5.5lb mag. Less weight means less drag. By the way do you think a couple pounds isn't much look into auto racing. The lighter the vehicle the faster the take off speed. A couple pounds can make a small difference. Especially in a long day of playing.

I don't have any problem carrying my heavy gun (cocer with giant 114 tank) all day. My arm doesn't get tired. So I don't care much about the weight of my marker. But then again, I'm not a small guy.

[Digits]

Originally posted by mark_426


I would assume that he means speed in bringing the gun up...and the superman dive would definetally be harder, can you lay down on a bench (since you apparantly work out so much, and flame us for not) and with your arm(s) outstreched, hold a 15 pound weight as long or comfortably as a 5 or 10? Can you stand and hold a 10 or 15 up in front of you as easily as a 5 or 7.5?

I concur.. And i've strapped 5lb weightes to make ankles.. And you can easilly tell a difference, harder to jump, walk, everything.. So to the guy that said strap 1 pound.. It would make you run slower and such, not ALOT slower, but you would still be slower

[Mag_SEAL-6]

would assume, not 100% sure on it though, but when you lighten all the parts on the inside (delron, lx bolt, etc), there isn't as much weight moving around, and voila, a proportional(less weight on outside) amount of recoil.

Not necessarily. Recoil is caused by the blowback (the air ricocheting of of the paintball). The air expands and rises. Your hand just acts as a pivot point, therefore slightly lifting the front of your gun.

[felony]

wowha..

how much can we shave off an mag goin all ULE?

did i read 3 pounds somewhere? 5.5 lbs to 2.6?

I may be missing something but

body, rail, batt pack, frame.. just under a pound reduced off of each.,

I must be missing something or maybe you were comparing a mech to emag..

dan

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by shartley

LOL Come to the CPPA Gathering and you can borrow it. And I CAN guarantee I will see her again. You coming?

Most likely, if I have a job for the summer, I will.

Oh, and of course you knew I was kidding about not giving back the stroker. I wouldn't be able to let myself steal it .

[breg]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I prefer heavier guns to lighter ones. I held a Dye Ultra Light Cocker once and felt like I was going to break it. How did that go... "Heavy is good, is sign of reliability. If it does not work, you could always hit him with it." Sorry, I just like the quote. Personally, if 1.3 lbs. makes that much of a difference in your game, then you need do get a little stronger.
In all honesty, I truly believe that the obsession with the weight of a paintball gun is directly related to marketing. If company X uses weight for a marketing point, then company Y has to show that thiers is not only lower pressure, faster, but lighter as well. Then we, as the consumers, naturally assume the lighter means better. Then after a couple of years, wieght becomes such a factor in marker preformance, that no one will look favorably at a marker if it does not weigh as little as possible.
The funny thing is that I've found that a heavier marker is better for me on the field than a lighter gun. I've actually managed to use the inertia of the gun to get it to go into the desiered firing position quicker and with less effort on my part.

Just my thoughts,

Breg

[SpecialBlend2786]

Originally posted by logamus
im not going to make up a pretty excuse, i like light guns because im too lazy to work out.


i also like cookies.

hahaha, sounds about right.

[No sKiLLz]

Recoil will always be an issue for lighter markers. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, so more weight and proper leverage will reduce the amount of force needed to keep the muzzle steady.

But snapshooting and run/dive off the break is certainly easier with a lighter marker. Also something that hasn't been brought up is that a lightweight marker usually has a slimmer profile and doesn't obscure your field of vision as much when you peer around the bunker.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass
Most likely, if I have a job for the summer, I will.

Oh, and of course you knew I was kidding about not giving back the stroker. I wouldn't be able to let myself steal it .

Fantastic! We just did some finance figuring the other day and it looks more and more like I am locked in for that event. I now need to decide if I will come with a full booth or not.

Originally posted by breg
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I prefer heavier guns to lighter ones. I held a Dye Ultra Light Cocker once and felt like I was going to break it. How did that go... "Heavy is good, is sign of reliability. If it does not work, you could always hit him with it." Sorry, I just like the quote. Personally, if 1.3 lbs. makes that much of a difference in your game, then you need do get a little stronger.
In all honesty, I truly believe that the obsession with the weight of a paintball gun is directly related to marketing. If company X uses weight for a marketing point, then company Y has to show that thiers is not only lower pressure, faster, but lighter as well. Then we, as the consumers, naturally assume the lighter means better. Then after a couple of years, wieght becomes such a factor in marker preformance, that no one will look favorably at a marker if it does not weigh as little as possible.
The funny thing is that I've found that a heavier marker is better for me on the field than a lighter gun. I've actually managed to use the inertia of the gun to get it to go into the desiered firing position quicker and with less effort on my part.

Just my thoughts,

Breg

You are not alone. I too prefer heavier markers.

[Garrum]

Lighter guns are all fine and dandy, if that is your thing. They can make it a little easier on you at the end of a day. But I think a lot of people that have trouble handling guns, ie; snap shooting, raising the gun quickly, changing targets quickly, have this problem because the trigger grip and the foregrip are too close together. It takes a little more effort to raise and move a gun when both of your hands are an inch apart on the back end of the gun. And it's harder to start and stop the gun when they are that close. Move your front hand out about six inches and you have much more control over the gun.

And as far as paintball guns 'kicking', I have shot light .22 rifles that recoil more than any paintball gun I've ever dealt with. Actually hold onto the gun, instead of just laying it on your arm, and that level of pseudo-recoil is not an issue anymore. And if you are holding onto the gun and it still bounces all over the place, throw the gun down and run to the nearest hospital, because you are either dead, or so wispy and frail that a stray breeze could blow you all the way to Singapore at any time.

[TheTramp]

One thing that amuses me about the obsession with lightweight markers is the revulsion most paintballers have for true lightweight materials. God forbid you make anything out of carbon fiber or some other non-metal material.

IT'S GOT CHEAP PLASTIC PARTS IS MUST BE CRAP!

I know we know that the classic Mag frame is a great piece of equipment but do you think AGD even considered for a minute putting out the Intelliframe in carbon fiber? They knew no one would buy it if it were "cheap plastic."

[Digits]

Originally posted by TheTramp
One thing that amuses me about the obsession with lightweight markers is the revulsion most paintballers have for true lightweight materials. God forbid you make anything out of carbon fiber or some other non-metal material.

IT'S GOT CHEAP PLASTIC PARTS IS MUST BE CRAP!

I know we know that the classic Mag frame is a great piece of equipment but do you think AGD even considered for a minute putting out the Intelliframe in carbon fiber? They knew no one would buy it if it were "cheap plastic."

The intelliframe is REALLY light already.. Seriouslly.. That is the lightest frame i've ever held, when it wasn't on my gun and no grips were on it it felt crushable.. I don't think they would save that much weight going carbon fibre..

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by Digits


The intelliframe is REALLY light already.. Seriouslly.. That is the lightest frame i've ever held, when it wasn't on my gun and no grips were on it it felt crushable.. I don't think they would save that much weight going carbon fibre..

Well, why not? Its just as strong as aluminum.

[Digits]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
Well, why not? Its just as strong as aluminum.

Ya but it looks like crap.. And I bet the max you'd loose in weight would be like 1-2 ounces.. Intelliframes have like no metal in them so they are pretty much as light as they can be..

Not to mention the cost factor.. Who would want to pay more for a mech frame?