With all due respect.....

[Load SM5]

Well weight has been a bigger issue here because that was one of the big stinks that non-mag users have been raising about mags along with the whole chopping thing. So Tom is trying to shake the whole stigma by coming out with a really light non-chopping gun.

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by ForgedSpeed


Common man, im didnt mean to flame and whatnot, so if I did - my apologies.

You wern't flaming IMHO. He's just being touchy because he spent $1000 making his gun set-up 5oz lighter. j/k

[mark_426]

Sorry, I didn't mean to call it a flame (I didn't take it against me or anything), but I was just saying, it isn't that we are lazy, I personally go to a weightroom 2 times a week, and have a home throwers program to do the other 3 days.
I'm just saying that if you have to work out to use your equiptment, why not lighten it now, and as you use it more, you will gain the endurance, and it will become even more comfortable and easier to use.


edit: thetramp.. thats just hilarious.. I actually had more in the mags than in my current guns

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by shartley

Want to borrow my Stroker?

Yes, but I don't garuntee that you'll ever see her again . j/k

[ForgedSpeed]

...or we could all play games where you limited to 400 paintballs, that would reduce weight too.

...and use pumps....only pumps.

mask are kinda heavy too...none of those needed....

and only use 12 gram c02 bottles.

I'm Brilliant

[shartley]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass

Yes, but I don't garuntee that you'll ever see her again . j/k

LOL Come to the CPPA Gathering and you can borrow it. And I CAN guarantee I will see her again. You coming?

[Python14]

To expand on Loads post, having a light gun for a front player makes running easier. Being able to pump your arms as you run improves your speed. Having a 6 lb gun in one hand does not help improve this. However, if you can change that 6 lb gun to a 4.5 lb gun, you might be able to shave a second or two off your run to the 50....all because you could pump your arms better.

[Thordic]

Also, think of this.

If you can do something well with a 5 lb gun, and you train yourself to do it well with a 10 lb gun, then you'd probably be twice as good at doing it with the 5 lb gun.

Being stronger doesn't mean you should carry a heavier gun just because you can. No matter how strong you are, you'll still move a lighter gun quicker.

[logamus]

im not going to make up a pretty excuse, i like light guns because im too lazy to work out.


i also like cookies.

[Dryden]

From my experience a weight difference of merely two pounds can be significant after only 20 to 30 minutes of woodsball action. Three to four pounds of gear can amount to whether one is able to stand after a second consecutive 6-hour day playing scenario or collapses from heat stroke. Granted, this is tailored to particular playing styles, field conditions, etc, but in my area, where all-terrain woodsball reigns - you can't shave enough pounds anywhere you can get it.

My using nothing other than a Mag over the past 6 years has less to do with the function of the marker than the fact that my previous semi, a PMI-3 (original model with all stainless internals), felt like a ton of bricks at the end of a long day - and had about enough recoil to dislocate a thumb. Of course, I learned to appreciate the Mag for a lot of other reasons later on (it's never failed me ONCE in 6 years - stock valve/bolt/body), but I was originally drawn to the MiniMag for the simple reason it was compact, light, and I could easily tote it around for two consecutive 95 degree+ summer days.

I don't imagine that I'd care much about weight if I played more indoor, speedball, etc, but everytime I play outdoor and climb a steep hill, I give praise to Tom Kaye that I don't have to carry my old PMI-3.

- Rich B

[phantomhitman]

i will have to agree with people saying it is less cumbersome. it is much easier using a lightweight marker for snap shooting, and for me running and sliding. i have noticed a great decrease in weight and a huge increase in mobility when i got my xvalve and had my flatline on.

[the_next_guy_]

I use a old shocker 4x4 with a 300rnd viewloader and a 114ci steel tank. Now look at me!

[bunkermaster10]

Re: With all due respect.....

Originally posted by ForgedSpeed
It is not like in football where you wear pounds of protective gear

People do wear lighter pads in football like WRs. U know the WR from the Broncos the white one.... he wears really small pads because he will be quicker etc.



EDIT: Forgot his name he might have retired....lol

[Brophog]

It all comes down to marketing and product improvement.

Manufacturers need to distinguish their markers from other manufacturers markers and from last years marker. Most marker manufacturers can't make much money unless you keep buying markers, and to do that they need to make new markers often, regardless of how small the improvements might be.

Two of the easist ways of distinguishing markers is by weight and by speed. They're simple numbers that are easy to market. If WDP shaves 5 grams off of this years marker from last years, they can market it is the lightest marker, and people will buy it. If they can squeeze out 1 BPS, then people will buy it.

Hence, the same reason for all the weight/bps threads. People are justifying why they have marker X vs marker Y.

[f3rr3+]

Originally posted by ForgedSpeed


I understand this, in the same way that people want 50 more shots per tank, 2 more bps, ect.

The reason why I posted this topic and asked was because it seemed to me, a person that has read paintball forums daily for 2 years, that in the past couple months weight have become the biggest issue, maybe this is because of the ULE thing, but it appears to be the same trend over at pbnation.com for example.

Anyway, thanks guys.

its because thats the only thing that isnt nearly to the peak of perfection, with the speed of guns who can outshoot em? with the efficency now does it make that much difference? and now its about comfort/weight and cosmetics.