Deadlywind hAir trigger demo video

[trains are bad]

Someone tell me what the hAir has over an electro anyway. My electro-mag can do full auto, burst, and yes ramp modes of fire, has adjustable bps caps, an infinitly adjustable trigger, has eyes.

I mean I don't see what is so desireable about the mechanical trigger, except that it is a cool achievment. It basically sucks compared to an electro any way you look at it, it has less options.

I don't buy that it is more reliable either, because face it, electros can be very reliable, and nobody knows anything about the hAir yet.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

No batteries, no cheat modes, no fried boards, etc. Electronics never work for me, they just hate me. I like being able to see how it actually works and having a definate explanation for why it went down ( if it ever does) Plus, those modes are illegal at most fields, why do you need them? It has all the advanatges of an electro, but none of the problems.

[trains are bad]

No batteries

Unless you run a qloader, you already use batteries, and if they go down, you are finished! This argument amazes me.

no cheat modes

this is a disadvantage

no fried boards

ok you may have something there considering my predator II is currently in route to TAG because it stopped working....but still, like I said, you don't know how reliable the hAir will be, or that you will be able to fix it if it does break.

Plus, those modes are illegal at most fields, why do you need them?

They are not illegal in my backyard, and a time is coming where having a BPS cap may be very handy.

It has all the advanatges of an electro, but none of the problems.

you just pulled this out of your rear, because you have no idea if it even works. All you know is what you've seen on the telescreen.

["Joe"]

The 15bps cap only applies to electronic markers

[WenULiVeUdiE]

trains are bad- You have some good points. What we both say is true. It has been my experience that electronics are not as reliable as pure mechanics. The less batteries the better. I dont care if cheat modes make the game more fair for me. I will never use them because it's cheating regardless if everyone else does it. My last statement- I meant it has none of the problems that electros have such as bounce, fried borads, etc.

It is clear we do not agree. Lets not start an argument here.

[trains are bad]

You don't know the hAir doesn't have bounce. As far as you know the thing might be a POS that leaks constantly. Whereas electros have a pretty good track record for reliability. I dont' think anyone with an emag really worries about his board spontaneously frying.

I don't use cheat modes either but the fact remains it's cool for testing setups and options is good.

I'm not really that excited on for the hAir, I want one to see how it works but I basically have no desire for one, I'm not giving up my eyes, built in intellifeed, and very picky trigger pull.

[rabidchihauhau]

trains,

ROF - potentially as good as, if not better then electros: of course, both are still limited by the ability to feed them reliably.

On-field repair; you can fix a mechanical problem. you can fix a pneumatic problem, all on the field. You can't look at the electronics except to say 'yep, that transistor's fried'.

Choice. more options are always better for the consumer.

[Mike Smith]

{Can't help myself....... can't keep quiet.... }

Mech = no worry about water, no worry about a dead battery in the middle of a game, no worry about fried components

Electro = keeping a backup battery in your pocket, running for cover as soon as it starts to rain, wondering what exactly is wrong with your non-functioning marker.

Battery operated hopper = shake it if the battery goes dead {hint: shaking it if your battery dies will not work with electro guns}



{New look for my Phantom and my Mag coming soon!}

[rabidchihauhau]

check this out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/25/bu.../25patent.html

[teufelhunden]

The 15bps cap only applies to electronic markers

No.

[trains are bad]

I speak only of tournament play. I use either a mech cocker or mag in the woods, and always will. Mechanical is better in the woods for some of the reasons stated.

Mech = no worry about water, no worry about a dead battery in the middle of a game

Games are 4 minutes long and there's no water on the speedball field.

Battery operated hopper = shake it if the battery goes dead

I always have and forever shall use a warpfeed...even in the woods. I have never had a problem with my warps.

I can see now that the hair may well fulfil a niche of the do everything, woods marker that is fast enough for speedball but rugged enough (time may tell) for woods.

But electro is still the way to go for speedball.

[Furby#1]

Trains

I have a raced half block cocker and can pump out tons of paint too.
i have shot the hair and know how it works i know collin and have got to play with it
it has a better trigger pull than my race and can shoot just has fast
(with out cheating on the race, which good players dont need to do)
it is a solid product and isnt a POS. know what your talking about before you start ranting on and on on how its not as good as your cheater electro. its not electro and isnt meant to be it is for worry free, honest players who want a fast non-electro grip frame
it is more than capable of keeping up with your (tournament play) and ill bet you $1000 buck you cant hit the max ROF on it.

["Joe"]

No.

Oh, I was under that impression...
Sorry for the misinformation

[the larch]

In Trains defense, he has only said that there is no tangible evidence that the Hair is going to be reliable. He is correct simply because the only way it can be shown to be reliable is to have mulitiple units in the field for an extended amount of time. I don't believe he is ranting at all, he is simply replying consistently to the fervor that this mod has created.
To say that mechanical is better because it is more reliable, is akin to saying that an abicus is more reliable than a calculator. (maybe an unfair analogy but it gets the point across)

Also, I must say that I had shocker #1529 (the old brick) for six years and the only thing I ever had to do was replace some o-rings. It was the most reliable marker I've ever owned.

Now, that said, I believe there is a definant niche for the Hair if it is marketed correctly and becomes a standard part of an AGD mag.

I would purchase one in a heartbeat for $300 or less.

[rabidchihauhau]

larch,

to be nit-picky about it, you're incorrect.

One way to "calculate" reliability (generally defined as the length of operational life under standard working condition, and perhaps modified by the ease with which a malfunction can be fixed under working conditions) is to take the number of working parts and their interfaces and treat them statistically.

If you have two working parts and one interface, your reliability factor is 3x2x1 = 6. The lower that number, the more potential reliability there is.

How many working parts/interfaces are there in a standard 'mag? How many in an e-mag?

Even if we look at major 'systems' within each of these guns, the electronic version is at least an order of magnitude more 'unreliable' than the mechanical system. (Valvexregxtriggerxsear vs valvexregxtriggerxsearxswitchxbatteryxcircuitboard - 24 for the mechanical and 5,040 for the e-mag.)

This of course is not nearly as 'rigorous' as a real calculation for such things would be, but it should serve to illustrate that at least on the (well founded and documented) theoretical/laboratory side of determining these kinds of things, it should be assumed from the beginning that an electronic version of a mechnical device is going to have a much lower reliability factor.

Getting into the detail would require an analysis of each working part, its criticality to the system, the nature of the interfaces, the working lifetime of each individual component (for example, one part that is critical to the operation of the system has a working life of 2 days, versus the other working parts who's average is measured in years; the 2 day part, being critical to operation, is much more influential than the other parts. So what if your plastic grip panel cracks. but if your sear snaps...)

From a theoretical and engineering standpoint, mechanical is usually considered to be inherently more reliable than electronic.

Just some thoughts.